Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
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Re: Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
#2And then there were 15 competing standards.
I really, really want one single thing to succeed, but since the major distributions have decided to up and go there own way, there is no standard, and I don't see how we will be in a better place by adopting these.
Nix and Guix are awesome, but even there, we have two competing tools that operate similarly.
Do we need Torvalds to step in and throw a gauntlet?
Re: Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
#3And then there were 15 competing standards. I really, really want one single thing to succeed, but since the major distributions have decided to up and go there own way, there is no standard, and I don't see how we will be in a better place by adopting these. Nix and Guix are awesome, but even there, we have two competing tools that operate similarly. Do we need Torvalds to step in and throw a gauntlet?
No more than we need Torvalds to tell us which single web browser to use, or which text editor or programming language to use.
Speaking of Torvalds, git is actually a pretty good example. There was no top-down enforcing of which version control system everyone should use, yet git has become the defacto standard.
TCP/IP has become the universal networking technology, again without a top-down mandate. There are, of course, standards describing how TCP/IP works, but not one mandating its use.
Eventually, maybe there'll be a defacto, cross-platform package manager that everyone uses, but it's premature to settle on one now, as package managers are still quickly evolving.
Re: Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
#4And then there were 15 competing standards. I really, really want one single thing to succeed, but since the major distributions have decided to up and go there own way, there is no standard, and I don't see how we will be in a better place by adopting these. Nix and Guix are awesome, but even there, we have two competing tools that operate similarly. Do we need Torvalds to step in and throw a gauntlet?
No more than we need Torvalds to tell us which single web browser to use, or which text editor or programming language to use. Speaking of Torvalds, git is actually a pretty good example. There was no top-down enforcing of which version control system everyone should use, yet git has become the defacto standard. TCP/IP has become the universal networking technology, again without a top-down mandate. There are, of cou…
Git is actually what I was referring to. If there was say a packaging model that Linux kernel decided to support for say distribution of kernel modules, I think I could see it becoming the defacto standard.
I didn't really mean that he would from on high dictate what would be used. And honestly, if something like that did happen, I bet I'd be unhappy. Git is a huge step forward, but it is one of the most complex SCM's in existence, for example.
Re: Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
#5And then there were 15 competing standards. I really, really want one single thing to succeed, but since the major distributions have decided to up and go there own way, there is no standard, and I don't see how we will be in a better place by adopting these. Nix and Guix are awesome, but even there, we have two competing tools that operate similarly. Do we need Torvalds to step in and throw a gauntlet?
I don't really see why a single standard is necessary (and this thing about self-contained packages makes me cringe a little).
Package managers have always cross pollinated and flourished thanks to that - as an example RPM does not support automatic dependency resolution, remember. That came later - and yum was pretty horrible in its initial incarnations...
It's not like you will have multiple distributions in your fleet (pretty please?), right? So you should still have to build only for a single target - and I'm pretty sure your resident ops guy is more than happy to help you do that instead of some of the other horrible things I see people deploy with.
Re: Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
#6And then there were 15 competing standards. I really, really want one single thing to succeed, but since the major distributions have decided to up and go there own way, there is no standard, and I don't see how we will be in a better place by adopting these. Nix and Guix are awesome, but even there, we have two competing tools that operate similarly. Do we need Torvalds to step in and throw a gauntlet?
I don't really see why a single standard is necessary (and this thing about self-contained packages makes me cringe a little). Package managers have always cross pollinated and flourished thanks to that - as an example RPM does not support automatic dependency resolution, remember. That came later - and yum was pretty horrible in its initial incarnations... It's not like you will have multiple distributions in your f…
This is more about distribution of software publicly. For ops and internal deployment, yeah I'd stick to the platform specific pkg manager.
Re: Guix: The Non-Aligned Universal Package Manager
#7And then there were 15 competing standards. I really, really want one single thing to succeed, but since the major distributions have decided to up and go there own way, there is no standard, and I don't see how we will be in a better place by adopting these. Nix and Guix are awesome, but even there, we have two competing tools that operate similarly. Do we need Torvalds to step in and throw a gauntlet?
This is not about a standard or competition. Guix just happens to be a great solution for reproducible packaging. That's why we use it at our institute.
Nix and Guix don't compete. They are different implementations of the same idea, both solving reproducibility problems.
(Two things our cultures often exaggerate are competition and dominance.)