Apple’s research secrecy hurts industry and academic research
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Apple’s research secrecy hurts industry and academic research
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#2Co-founder of MIT Media Lab Nicholas Negroponte was reported to have said " “[Apple] has not written one research paper or attended any external research meetings, such as working groups, government-funded workshops, or held their own onsite research meetings with external scientists in the way Google, Microsoft and Facebook often do.”
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#3Firstly, the research is paid for and is public domain - that's the whole point - so that people can use it without paying.
Secondly, the author betrays himself by dismissing Apple's open source efforts. Their contribution to WebKit is the only reason there is competition in the browser space, and saying Swift and LLVM are 'proprietary' and dismissing their impact is either ignorant or dishonest. As far as I can see LLVM is the backbone of a huge amount of academic programming language research.
Thirdly, Apple's photos 'AI' seems like a pretty modest application. Hardly groundbreaking stuff that they are keeping 'secret'. If they owe taxes for this, then all corporations owe taxes for ideas they've incorporated.
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#4I am offended by this kind of headlines.
In the field of software, Apple uses open source and provides a lot of open source of their doing to the community. So, if there is an imbalance in the field of science, it should be discussed for sure. But if I am offended by Apple's Photos, it is for other reasons.
Edit: my comment refers to the top headline of the article, also used in the link from Hacker News when I wrote it "Why Apple’s Photos announcement should offend you"
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#5Consider the fact that Google open-sourced pioneering RAPPOR when it started using it for collecting information about malicious websites visited by the users on Chrome. Apple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes while hiding the details of implementation. Why should we trust whoever apple trots out at its keynote? How is this different from people who trusted Theranos since its board was filled with former secretary of state and such.
Apples approach towards research and privacy is designed to make press headlines and fool reporters similar to Theranos. Its time to hold Apple to standards of Peer Review as practiced by Google, Facebook and others.
https://research.googleblog.com/2014/10/learning-statistics-...
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#6"Why Apple’s Photos announcement should offend you"
What a click-baity article.
Re: Apple’s research secrecy hurts industry and academic research
#7I am offended by this kind of headlines. In the field of software, Apple uses open source and provides a lot of open source of their doing to the community. So, if there is an imbalance in the field of science, it should be discussed for sure. But if I am offended by Apple's Photos, it is for other reasons. Edit: my comment refers to the top headline of the article, also used in the link from Hacker News when I wrote…
It'd be nice if HackerNews put a star or something by headlines that have changed. I was really confused about what you were saying until I read your edit.
Re: Apple’s research secrecy hurts industry and academic research
#8Firstly, the research is paid for and is public domain - that's the whole point - so that people can use it without paying. Secondly, the author betrays himself by dismissing Apple's open source efforts. Their contribution to WebKit is the only reason there is competition in the browser space, and saying Swift and LLVM are 'proprietary' and dismissing their impact is either ignorant or dishonest. As far as I can see…
> Their contribution to WebKit is the only reason there is competition in the browser space
There have been competing closed-source browsers, plus Mozilla, that weren't dependent on WebKit. Without Apple's open-source work on WebKit, maybe Google wouldn't have done Chrome (or maybe Google would have forked Firefox as its starting point, instead), but there'd still be browser competition.
Re: Apple’s research secrecy hurts industry and academic research
#9Consider the fact that Google open-sourced pioneering RAPPOR when it started using it for collecting information about malicious websites visited by the users on Chrome. Apple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes while hiding the details of implementation. Why should we trust whoever apple trots out at its keynote? How is this different from people who trusted Theranos since its boa…
Apple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes
Wait what?! Do you have any evidence of this or you just pulling this out of your butt?
Re: Apple’s research secrecy hurts industry and academic research
#10Consider the fact that Google open-sourced pioneering RAPPOR when it started using it for collecting information about malicious websites visited by the users on Chrome. Apple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes while hiding the details of implementation. Why should we trust whoever apple trots out at its keynote? How is this different from people who trusted Theranos since its boa…
Apple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes Wait what?! Do you have any evidence of this or you just pulling this out of your butt?
"Improving quicktype predictions" => "sending keystrokes with randomized response"
https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/14/apple-differential-priva...