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Terms and conditions word by word

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Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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This seems like a nice resource for swashing through the terms and conditions jungle: https://tosdr.org/

Came here to say that tosdr is much simpler because that video stream is like listening to a text2speech version of a large and complex legal text. Combined with a crackly norwegian accent that's even hard for me as a swede to accept.

Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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post #3
post #2

This seems like a nice resource for swashing through the terms and conditions jungle: https://tosdr.org/

Came here to say that tosdr is much simpler because that video stream is like listening to a text2speech version of a large and complex legal text. Combined with a crackly norwegian accent that's even hard for me as a swede to accept.

I really don't think the point of the stream is to provide simple way consume T&Cs, more the opposite really.

Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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>1. Cut back on the obvious

Would this work when there are different laws for different jurisdictions and there is no way to tell for sure where the user acutally is located? I thought the reason behind the obviousness was to cover everything.

>2. Write so that people understand

>3. Keep it short and concise

That probably wouldn't be beneficial for all the companies using the user-as-the-product model. "Terms of Service: We retain the right to track your location, read your text messages, listen to the microphone and read your thoughts"

Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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post #3
post #2

This seems like a nice resource for swashing through the terms and conditions jungle: https://tosdr.org/

Came here to say that tosdr is much simpler because that video stream is like listening to a text2speech version of a large and complex legal text. Combined with a crackly norwegian accent that's even hard for me as a swede to accept.

The way it is titled on the Norwegian version of the page ("We read app terms and conditions minute by minute") they're probably partly spoofing the successful NRK 'slow TV shows'[1] that were all titled thus. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7VYVjR_nwE

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slow_television#Norwegian_Broa...

Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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post #5

>1. Cut back on the obvious Would this work when there are different laws for different jurisdictions and there is no way to tell for sure where the user acutally is located? I thought the reason behind the obviousness was to cover everything. >2. Write so that people understand >3. Keep it short and concise That probably wouldn't be beneficial for all the companies using the user-as-the-product model. "Terms of Serv…

But that's exactly what it should say!

Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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post #2

This seems like a nice resource for swashing through the terms and conditions jungle: https://tosdr.org/

Wow, some of these are scary.

"No Right to leave the service" - Delicious

"The Android app can record sound & video from your phone, at any time, without your consent" - Facebook

The sweetest of them all seems to be DDG

Re: Terms and conditions word by word

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post #5

>1. Cut back on the obvious Would this work when there are different laws for different jurisdictions and there is no way to tell for sure where the user acutally is located? I thought the reason behind the obviousness was to cover everything. >2. Write so that people understand >3. Keep it short and concise That probably wouldn't be beneficial for all the companies using the user-as-the-product model. "Terms of Serv…

> Would this work when there are different laws for different jurisdictions and there is no way to tell for sure where the user acutally is located? I thought the reason behind the obviousness was to cover everything.

This is an obvious difficulty, though it could perhaps be alleviated somewhat by #5 (Adopt an industry standard) - some kind of "base" set of T&Cs and standardised vocabulary for each jurisdiction.

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