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Please do get HR involved. Please do not listen to the people here who are advising you to nuke the man from orbit, it's the only way. Doing that will only deepen the problem.

Seems to me that doing this would deepen one problem (...please do not use final solution/terrorist tactics. This only hurts women in the long run.) but I'm not sure it deepens the actual problem the poster from yesterday had (a potential lawsuit).

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It's not a "[m]en and women need to learn to interact at work" issue. It's not your job to teach employees this. It's a business continuity issue. If an employee is kept on who shows this kind of totally inappropriate behavior it can become an existential threat to the company.

If (probably "when") the behavior continues--or worsens--now you're responsible for keeping an employee that has a known history of sexual harassment. I would posit that there is not a single employee so valuable as to be worth this risk.

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>So, I am female.

Yes, but here's the way I read it: "I am [a] female" and you provided one anecdote for us to consider. (E.g. Working relationship turned out fine for you in the end.)

Nonetheless, I don't read it as "I represent females". My experience behind closed doors with HR about harassing males is to err on the side of termination.

Sure, if a man makes 2 offers for a "drinks after work?" and the woman refuses... it's reasonable to take him aside and say, "dude, cool your jets, she's not interested. Pursuing it is not good for your career. Are you getting what I'm saying??? Great! Now get back to work. (smile.)"

However, sending a comment with MILF Mother I'd Like to Fornicate is a totally valid trigger for the company to go nuclear and fire you.

I guess we have different thresholds for what is hapless romantic ineptness and what is bad behavior. I respect Mz's perspective but I disagree with it.

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what is the beef with patio11 ? He has given my good comments on my posts over the years. That is how HN is designed.

This article reads as "Don't take his advice. I don't like him therefore his advice is bad."

Please clarify, do you mean my comment or the parent post?

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Eh, I would say that there is more than one viable way to approach the issue and it totally depends on the people involved and severity of the infraction.

In this case maybe counseling/training could fix the behavior in the harasser, maybe it wouldn't. The other thing is, sometimes there is conduct that merits firing outright, without counseling. For some people/companies that line would have been crossed with the 'milf' comment.

From the standpoint of making the world a better place I do think that incidents like these can be turned into teachable moments so that people can understand better what is, and is not appropriate. But really, companies should make that part of their training when people are brought on so that situations like this can be avoided in the first place. If someone still crosses the line after that, then they won't be surprised when they are fired.

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