TTIP Leaks

#1

Post by Hjugo » Mon, May 02, 2016, 9:28 AM UTC

TTIP Leaks
ttip-leaks.org

Re: TTIP Leaks

#2

Post by creshal » Mon, May 02, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

Not that it's still not all documents, and already out of date:

> The documents that Greenpeace Netherlands has released about half of the draft text as of April 2016, prior to the start of the 13th round of TTIP negotiations between the EU and the US (New York, 25-29 April 2016). As far as we know the final document will consist of 25 to 30 chapters and many extensive annexes. The EU Commission published an overview stating that they have now 17 consolidated texts. This means the documents released by Greenpeace netherlands encompass 3/4 of the existing consolidated texts. Consolidated texts are those where the EU and US positions on issues are shown side by side. This step in the negotiation process allows us to see the areas where the EU and US are close to agreement, and where compromises and concessions would still need to be made. Of the documents released by Greenpeace Netherlands, in total 248 pages, 13 chapters offer for the first time the position of the US.

So politics will probably pull the "your complaints are all addressed in the still secret parts / were changed after the leak, we pinky-swear" card.

Re: TTIP Leaks

#3

Post by r0h1n » Mon, May 02, 2016, 9:53 AM UTC

The #2 and #3 stories are both links to ttip-leaks.org. The only difference b/w them seems to be the presence of a "www" in one case. Doesn't HN dupe detection handle something as basic?

Re: TTIP Leaks

#4

Post by jychang » Mon, May 02, 2016, 9:57 AM UTC

Here's the preview for relevant section for the TTRIP with regards to the Internet:

http://www.ttip-leaks.org/agamemnon/doc4.pdf

The actual preview function seems to be broken, it only opens in a tiny iframe.

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#5

Post by foota » Mon, May 02, 2016, 9:59 AM UTC

r0h1n wrote: post #3

The #2 and #3 stories are both links to ttip-leaks.org. The only difference b/w them seems to be the presence of a "www" in one case. Doesn't HN dupe detection handle something as basic?

Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't dupe protection.

edit: looks like I was wrong.

Re: TTIP Leaks

#6

Post by leaveyou » Mon, May 02, 2016, 10:02 AM UTC

jychang wrote: post #4

Here's the preview for relevant section for the TTRIP with regards to the Internet: http://www.ttip-leaks.org/agamemnon/doc4.pdf The actual preview function seems to be broken, it only opens in a tiny iframe.

IANAL and the essence of that text escapes me even after several minutes of intelligent gazing over it. Could someone summarize it in non-legalese for the rest of us ? Thanks

Re: TTIP Leaks

#7

Post by Loic » Mon, May 02, 2016, 10:14 AM UTC

jychang wrote: post #4

Here's the preview for relevant section for the TTRIP with regards to the Internet: http://www.ttip-leaks.org/agamemnon/doc4.pdf The actual preview function seems to be broken, it only opens in a tiny iframe.

First page: "Nothing in this Chapter shall be construed to: ... (b) require a Party to compel any enterprise exclusively engaged in the broadcast or cable distribution of radio or television programming to make available its broadcast or cable facilities as a public telecommunications network."

Which means, if your cable company is in monopoly somewhere, you cannot have any regulations to force sharing the network to foster competition. This is basically just going against what is making Internet great in most Europe. Just right on the first page. Ouch!

Update to be clearer: "public telecommunications network means telecommunications infrastructure used to provide public telecommunications services;"

Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by riffraff » Mon, May 02, 2016, 10:15 AM UTC

I don't understand this FAQ:

> None of the chapters we have seen reference the General Exceptions rule. This nearly 70-year-old rule enshrined in the GATT agreement of the World Trade Organization (WTO), allows nations to regulate trade “to protect human, animal and plant life or health" or for "the conservation of exhaustible natural resources" [1].

as point 2 in agriculture states

> In this regard, nothing in this Agreement will restrain the Parties from taking measures necessary to achieve legitimate policy objectives such as the protection of public health, safety, environment or public morals, social or consumer protection, or the promotion and protection of cultural diversity that each side deems appropriate.

Re: TTIP Leaks

#9

Post by tommyman » Mon, May 02, 2016, 10:24 AM UTC

So business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in the US side of negotiations (far more than any public interest groups).

Then on the EU side, business groups and lobbyists for companies like IBM, Apple, Google et al. are deeply involved in negotiations to the detriment of all public groups.

So this is really lots of big US companies negotiating with themselves on how to screw over Europe.

This is a takeover attempt through the backdoor.

Re: TTIP Leaks

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Post by DiabloD3 » Mon, May 02, 2016, 10:34 AM UTC

foota wrote: post #5

r0h1n wrote: post #3

The #2 and #3 stories are both links to ttip-leaks.org. The only difference b/w them seems to be the presence of a "www" in one case. Doesn't HN dupe detection handle something as basic?

Unless I'm mistaken, there isn't dupe protection. edit: looks like I was wrong.

There is, but it is not coded cleverly intentionally.