How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
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How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
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#2So, can an electric car (not counting the cost of the battery) be realistically cheaper than a gasoline one within the next 5-10 years? I know that the number of moving parts is smaller, but these parts that are there are kind of higher tech.
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#3So, can an electric car (not counting the cost of the battery) be realistically cheaper than a gasoline one within the next 5-10 years? I know that the number of moving parts is smaller, but these parts that are there are kind of higher tech.
The battery costs are all that prevent electric cars from being cheaper.
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#4So, can an electric car (not counting the cost of the battery) be realistically cheaper than a gasoline one within the next 5-10 years? I know that the number of moving parts is smaller, but these parts that are there are kind of higher tech.
A modern ICE is extremely high tech. The tech used for electric motors and controllers are so simple and prevalent that they're surely cheaper than a complex beast an ICE is. Battery is most likely the most expensive component of an EV.
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#5This article has lots of false assumptions. To phrase it positively, the article ignores a lot of facts.
EVs are simpler devices than gasoline-powered vehicles. They have a smaller number of parts, making them easier to assemble. At similar scale to gas vehicles, electric vehicles should indeed be lower cost to built.
In addition, EVs have many fewer moving parts (in the engine and drivetrain in particular) than internal combustion vehicles. That further means lower construction cost for the most complex and costly part of a vehicle, and far lower maintenance cost.
While it is true, the engine and drive train has fewer parts, when I reduce it to motor and battery. But in fact every EV has a gear, including the Tesla. Yes, this gear is much simpler, but it is there and even runs with oil that has to be replaced every 100.000 miles like in every other car. The battery is as complex as an engine itself. Because you need to measure lots of sensors values and to control that it will not explode and not wear down to fast. Every battery, including the one in the Tesla, has a dedicated heating and cooling system just for the battery within the battery.
Then also lots of parts in car are the very same like brakes, steering, air condition, windows, and so. Remember that a current car is about 30% software and will be more in future. But there is only 1 engine control unit. The most of the parts are other things to control safety or personal comfort.
Electric vehicles, today, have lower total costs per mile than equivalent gasoline-powered vehicles, due to lower energy costs of electricity and the lower maintenance costs.
That neglects the fact, that most of the maintenance costs are not engine related. Like the brakes have to be regularly checked. It neglects the fact, that a battery will wear out sometimes between 3 to 6 years and has to be replaced, which is a huge cost related issue. The guarantee Tesla has, does not help, because you will pay for that guarantee otherwise.
Re: How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
#6So, can an electric car (not counting the cost of the battery) be realistically cheaper than a gasoline one within the next 5-10 years? I know that the number of moving parts is smaller, but these parts that are there are kind of higher tech.
The article states that the cost of a complete electric vehicle will lower than the average ICE car in 2017 and cheaper than the cheapest ICE car in 2030.
So one can expect EVs to be able to compete fully with ICE cars in just a few years.
Re: How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
#7So, can an electric car (not counting the cost of the battery) be realistically cheaper than a gasoline one within the next 5-10 years? I know that the number of moving parts is smaller, but these parts that are there are kind of higher tech.
A modern ICE is extremely high tech. The tech used for electric motors and controllers are so simple and prevalent that they're surely cheaper than a complex beast an ICE is. Battery is most likely the most expensive component of an EV.
Combustion engines are steadily increasing in technology too, due to emissions laws.
Batteries are the single most expensive parts of electric cars for now.
It was recently revealed that Tesla's Model 3 batteries will cost Tesla around $11,400 ($190/kwh * 60kwh) to make. This is likely much cheaper than current, as they expect the Gigafactory to bring their unit costs down.
I agree that this is most likely the single most expensive part of the car, and more expensive than many combustion engines.
http://electrek.co/2016/04/26/tesla-model-3-battery-pack-cos...
Re: How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
#8So, can an electric car (not counting the cost of the battery) be realistically cheaper than a gasoline one within the next 5-10 years? I know that the number of moving parts is smaller, but these parts that are there are kind of higher tech.
The battery costs are all that prevent electric cars from being cheaper.
I found this:
> Bereisa based his analysis on the base Model 3 being offered with a 60 kWh battery, like the Bolt, and on Tesla achieving a cost of ~$190/kWh. He estimates that Tesla’s current battery pack cost (cells, casing, cooling and entire pack) is at $260/kWh, while GM’s is at $215/kWh. GM’s cells and battery pack are manufactured by its partner LG Chem.
On Elektrek.co
Let's say you need a 50 kWh battery to have a usable range, and it costs $ 190/kWh, then the battery will cost $ 9,500 dollar.
And that is within the next 2 years. So.. it's going down extremely fast.
Re: How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
#9This article has lots of false assumptions. To phrase it positively, the article ignores a lot of facts. EVs are simpler devices than gasoline-powered vehicles. They have a smaller number of parts, making them easier to assemble. At similar scale to gas vehicles, electric vehicles should indeed be lower cost to built. In addition, EVs have many fewer moving parts (in the engine and drivetrain in particular) than inte…
For an electric motorbike, I found that maintenance was much, much lower than a gasoline one. Until you have to change the battery, of course.
Re: How Cheap Can Electric Vehicles Get?
#10This article has lots of false assumptions. To phrase it positively, the article ignores a lot of facts. EVs are simpler devices than gasoline-powered vehicles. They have a smaller number of parts, making them easier to assemble. At similar scale to gas vehicles, electric vehicles should indeed be lower cost to built. In addition, EVs have many fewer moving parts (in the engine and drivetrain in particular) than inte…
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