The Al-Qaeda Leader Who Wasn’t: The Shameful Ordeal of Abu Zubaydah

overlordalex wrote: post #3

The website comes up with a pop-up when I try read the article, but when I hit the 'x' to close it I get dumped at the homepage. Here's the Google cache version: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Itp90I0...

On my phone it is a scrolling advertisement. To get past it don't click on it just scroll using the page around the ad and once you get past it you can scroll again! Desktop I'm not sure about however

Re: The Al-Qaeda Leader Who Wasn’t: The Shameful Ordeal of Abu Zubaydah

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Post by GordonS » Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 11:25 AM UTC

confluence wrote: post #2

The CIA is not known for its intelligence.

Agreed, they've come to be known for lack of oversight, being involved in corruption, being involved in drug production and trafficking, overthrowing democraically elected governments, installing despots, grabbing people from their home countries and torturing them in absolutely vile ways, and more.

The 3 letters 'CIA' now strike fear into the hearts of innocent people across the globe.

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Post by elcapitan » Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 11:35 AM UTC

While "waterboarding the right man 83 times in 1 month" would of course be a very honorable occupation.

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Post by saiya-jin » Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 11:38 AM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #5

confluence wrote: post #2

The CIA is not known for its intelligence.

Agreed, they've come to be known for lack of oversight, being involved in corruption, being involved in drug production and trafficking, overthrowing democraically elected governments, installing despots, grabbing people from their home countries and torturing them in absolutely vile ways, and more. The 3 letters 'CIA' now strike fear into the hearts of innocent people across the globe.

I would say disgust rather than fear, just another entitled bunch of aholes who think they can do whatever they want all around the globe and they actually have means to do so.

but then comes fleeting moment of satisfaction when some of them are shot, kidnapped etc... yeah, that's how despised they are

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Post by brillenfux » Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 11:44 AM UTC

elcapitan wrote: post #6

While "waterboarding the right man 83 times in 1 month" would of course be a very honorable occupation.

"Justified" is the word you're looking for.

We want it to be justified, not honorable. Nobody gives two shits about honor as soon as it is about "them" (whoever fits that definition currently).

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Post by GordonS » Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 11:48 AM UTC

saiya-jin wrote: post #7

GordonS wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, they've come to be known for lack of oversight, being involved in corruption, being involved in drug production and trafficking, overthrowing democraically elected governments, installing despots, grabbing people from their home countries and torturing them in absolutely vile ways, and more. The 3 letters 'CIA' now strike fear into the hearts of innocent people across the globe.

I would say disgust rather than fear, just another entitled bunch of a holes who think they can do whatever they want all around the globe and they actually have means to do so. but then comes fleeting moment of satisfaction when some of them are shot, kidnapped etc... yeah, that's how despised they are

> just another entitled bunch of aholes who think they can do whatever they want all around the globe and they actually have means to do so

I think that understates things a bit - I'm not aware of any other group in history that has freely wrought global havoc for so long, torturing, killing, trafficking in drugs, destroying lives, destroying whole nations...

Honestly, they are terrifying.

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Post by GordonS » Tue, Apr 26, 2016, 11:49 AM UTC

brillenfux wrote: post #8

elcapitan wrote: post #6

While "waterboarding the right man 83 times in 1 month" would of course be a very honorable occupation.

"Justified" is the word you're looking for. We want it to be justified, not honorable. Nobody gives two shits about honor as soon as it is about "them" (whoever fits that definition currently).

I'm not sure this kind of disgusting behaviour can ever be justified.