Smoke and Fumes: How the oil industry influenced the debate on climate change
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#2Easily solved -- let's all stop using petrochemicals of all kinds.
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#3Easily solved -- let's all stop using petrochemicals of all kinds.
That would devastate the global economy.
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#4Outrage is not the answer, if you live in OECD countries you have a massive footprint that rivals villages of developing countries. So do something about it. No, your pre-order of Model 3 that is going to come 3 years down the pike, does not put a dent in your carbon footprint. It is one small step, the roads your Tesla drives on needs petro-chemicals, so do those perfectly manicured french fries. Oil industry is greedy and entrenched, and do not expect some sort of Egalitarian enlightenment not from them, Nor from SV companies that colluded to screw their employees by forming a Cartel. Understand human nature, and it will help you trying to see the problems through caricatures and hopefully to work towards solution.
Here is the hard truth, We are a fossil fuel civilization. The problems are complex, we can green wash and eat some organic pop corn, but that does not help.
edit: there are some serious people trying to bring real solutions, I find Vaclav Smil, taking it to the next level of thinking instead of the constant greenwashing marketing campaigns.
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#5Easily solved -- let's all stop using petrochemicals of all kinds.
Multiple renewable energy sources in combination, like solar and wind are a viable alternative. Also bringing down the Oil cartel OPEC, and having real market prices on oil would make the alternatives more viable.
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#6Easily solved -- let's all stop using petrochemicals of all kinds.
Multiple renewable energy sources in combination, like solar and wind are a viable alternative. Also bringing down the Oil cartel OPEC, and having real market prices on oil would make the alternatives more viable.
lets start with basics shall we, how do you produce steel with out "coke"?
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#8> When do we hold someone responsible for a harm? What if the harm is climate change?
We all burned oil in our cars. We didn't make an effort to carpool because it wasn't convenient. Skipped days riding our bike to work because it's too cold, etc.
To me holding the blame entirely on the oil industry is akin to persecuting prostitutes for sex crime.
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#9Not divulging their internal research cannot be a crime because industries conduct private research for all kinds of competitive reasons. But the funding of false propaganda campaigns that they know are the opposite of their research should definitely be illegal, probably under fraud legislation I think. The problem is you can't find out that their propaganda campaigns are knowingly false because the research is secret. Though, as with the tobacco industry, the research does seem to leak out eventually, but it can take decades after all the original criminals are dead.
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#10Is the industry or us evil? most of us have big suv's that we drive alone and the only thing we care about oil is the price.
Some will look worried, chat on forums about these stuff but continue to do nothing because "there is nothing we can do".