SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
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Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#2I wonder if China can fully enter the first world while still executing such a thorough and complete control over the media? Would anyone like to weigh in on if free speech is essential to what you'd consider a first world country, or is it simply one of those luxuries that only some need?
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#3I wonder if China can fully enter the first world while still executing such a thorough and complete control over the media? Would anyone like to weigh in on if free speech is essential to what you'd consider a first world country, or is it simply one of those luxuries that only some need?
What do you mean by "first world country?" The terms first/second/third world were originally names used to distinguish countries aligned either with the capitalist west, communist east, or neither (which typically were less developed). Now it's used more as a synonym for "developed country," which is a category that certainly included the Soviet Union (there wasn't a lot of free speech there, to say the least).
I don't think the Chinese government cares about western political values, and it'll probably be satisfied with whatever economic development it can get without them.
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#4I wonder if China can fully enter the first world while still executing such a thorough and complete control over the media? Would anyone like to weigh in on if free speech is essential to what you'd consider a first world country, or is it simply one of those luxuries that only some need?
A media industry outside of the control of the government isn't required to be part of the "first world". Turkey is part of NATO, as first world as it gets, and their government is increasingly curtailing rights like freedom of assembly and the press.
You are first world if the first world says you are first world. You are second world if the first world says you are second world. You are third world if the first world says nothing about you. Ideology serves geopolitics, it does not determine it.
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#5Note to moderators - please expand SCMP to South China Morning Post, it's not clear they have shutdown a newspaper's online presence.
Note to Chinese Administration - oh come on guys.
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#6I wonder if China can fully enter the first world while still executing such a thorough and complete control over the media? Would anyone like to weigh in on if free speech is essential to what you'd consider a first world country, or is it simply one of those luxuries that only some need?
What do you mean by "first world country?" The terms first/second/third world were originally names used to distinguish countries aligned either with the capitalist west, communist east, or neither (which typically were less developed). Now it's used more as a synonym for "developed country," which is a category that certainly included the Soviet Union (there wasn't a lot of free speech there, to say the least). I do…
I was referring to development, I actually had no idea those terms were originally political. Today I Learned.
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#7Note to moderators - please expand SCMP to South China Morning Post, it's not clear they have shutdown a newspaper's online presence. Note to Chinese Administration - oh come on guys.
Yes. I briefly confused SCMP with SCTP and thought to myself, "I didn't realize anyone used SCTP. What's the significance?"
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#8Who in their right minds would want China to be the global hegemony when they censor free speech, treat people like they are disposable (Falun Gong body organ harvesting by President Zemin), impose Han Chinese ethnocentric ideologies as superior to the world as did Nazi Germany believed their blood made them pure?
What country in their right mind that enjoys the security and economic prosperity and trade with other democracies, uproot all of these perks in favor of China?
Who thinks like this besides delusional Chinese ultra nationalists and apologists?
United States is not perfect or all good either but fuck me if I'm going to let China become the world hegemony and bully every country like they do in the South China sea?
The world needs United States more than it needs the world.
edit: for those saying falun gong organ harvesting is a conspiracy.
Please refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...
Falun Gong is a Chinese qigong discipline involving
meditation and a moral philosophy rooted in Buddhist
tradition. The practice rose to popularity in the 1990s
in China, and by 1998, Chinese government sources
estimated that as many as 70 million people had taken up
the practice.[23][24] Perceiving that Falun Gong was a
potential threat to the Party’s authority and ideology,
Communist Party leader Jiang Zemin initiated a
nationwide campaign to eradicate the group in July 1999.
[25]Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#9Who in their right minds would want China to be the global hegemony when they censor free speech, treat people like they are disposable (Falun Gong body organ harvesting by President Zemin), impose Han Chinese ethnocentric ideologies as superior to the world as did Nazi Germany believed their blood made them pure? What country in their right mind that enjoys the security and economic prosperity and trade with other d…
> Who in their right minds would want China to be the global hegemony
Who in their right minds would want any one country to be the global hegemony..
> The world needs United States more than it needs the world.
Sure, "the world" needs a 4-decades-long "net-debtor+net-importer" very very badly..
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#10Who in their right minds would want China to be the global hegemony when they censor free speech, treat people like they are disposable (Falun Gong body organ harvesting by President Zemin), impose Han Chinese ethnocentric ideologies as superior to the world as did Nazi Germany believed their blood made them pure? What country in their right mind that enjoys the security and economic prosperity and trade with other d…
We in the West have the privilege of using our culture of free expression and open communication to create marvels like pizza and burgers, and then oversell these marvels to the Chinese as brands that can never be 100% replicated, like Pizza Hut and McDonald's.
China will never be cool. Powerful, but not sexy. Keep being original and interesting, and you will be a part of the winning team.