CloudFlare Watch

#1

Post by tard » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 12:41 PM UTC

Re: CloudFlare Watch

#2

Post by r3bl » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 1:41 PM UTC

So... judging by the titles, what this website is suggesting is basically that free speech only applies if you agree with it, and since they don't agree with CloudFlare's decision to host everything, CloudFlare is bad?

Honestly, the only thing I don't like about CloudFlare is their treatment of Tor users, which I don't see being mentioned anywhere in here.

Re: CloudFlare Watch

#3

Post by jgrahamc » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 1:46 PM UTC

r3bl wrote: post #2

So... judging by the titles, what this website is suggesting is basically that free speech only applies if you agree with it, and since they don't agree with CloudFlare's decision to host everything, CloudFlare is bad? Honestly, the only thing I don't like about CloudFlare is their treatment of Tor users, which I don't see being mentioned anywhere in here.

We're making a lot of changes to how we handle Tor: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203306930

Re: CloudFlare Watch

#4

Post by nathancahill » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 1:51 PM UTC

smh

Re: CloudFlare Watch

#5

Post by cmdrfred » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 1:54 PM UTC

If the web development skills on display here are any indication, I think this personal lacks a fundamental understanding about how all this tech works.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Re: CloudFlare Watch

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Post by simonw » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 2:06 PM UTC

As far as I can tell, this is by Daniel Brandt - previously of (now defunct) Google Watch and a bunch of other similar projects over the past 27+ years: http://www.leavegooglebehind.com/news/2012/02/google-critic-...

(Based on the IRS letter posted on the site at http://www.crimeflare.com/gifs/irslet.gif which mentions "Public Information Research Inc", Brandt's organization)

Update: confirmed, here's a page on the site which Daniel signs his name to: http://www.crimeflare.com/cfs.html

Re: CloudFlare Watch

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Post by dastbe » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 2:08 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #3

r3bl wrote: post #2

So... judging by the titles, what this website is suggesting is basically that free speech only applies if you agree with it, and since they don't agree with CloudFlare's decision to host everything, CloudFlare is bad? Honestly, the only thing I don't like about CloudFlare is their treatment of Tor users, which I don't see being mentioned anywhere in here.

We're making a lot of changes to how we handle Tor: https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/203306930

It's funny how Often a real space concept (country) which is used to model business logic ends up morphing into a abstract configuration knob.

Re: CloudFlare Watch

#8

Post by the-dude » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 2:08 PM UTC

karma be damned: the 90s called and they want their website back!

Re: CloudFlare Watch

#9

Post by LeifCarrotson » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

Some people do some pretty nasty things using the Internet and may be protected by CloudFlare. But there's also some pretty amazing things that happen because of it.

Some people say mean, false, and hurtful things. But others can say kind, insightful, and truthful things.

Some religious traditions are honestly rather disturbing to me. But others are a part of who I am.

I would much prefer to live in a world where everyone is free to use the Internet, speak, and believe as they desire, even if that has some negative consequences, than to live in a world where someone else dictates what I or anyone else can publish, say, and believe.

Re: CloudFlare Watch

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Post by mikeash » Fri, Mar 04, 2016, 2:32 PM UTC

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #9

Some people do some pretty nasty things using the Internet and may be protected by CloudFlare. But there's also some pretty amazing things that happen because of it. Some people say mean, false, and hurtful things. But others can say kind, insightful, and truthful things. Some religious traditions are honestly rather disturbing to me. But others are a part of who I am. I would much prefer to live in a world where eve…

I don't understand your last paragraph. CloudFlare isn't a necessary service for publishing stuff online. If they tightened up their rules, that wouldn't be a world where someone else dictates what you can say or believe.

Free speech doesn't require private entities to host or publish regardless of content, and it's totally consistent to both advocate for free speech and advocate that entities not make certain kinds of speech. For example, I think the KKK should be allowed to say all the hateful things they say, and I also think the KKK should close up shop and stop bothering everybody.