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Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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Re: Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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Condensed somewhat: "Dear British voters: Give up. Your objectionable government renders you people unwelcome in our club, and I want you out."

Condensed further: "Dear British voters: Screw yourselves. Literally."

Either way, this piece propounds a deeply and unnecessarily divisive opinion. We are not our government, and it saddens me greatly to be reminded that the exclusionist prejudices half the Commons are currently busy whipping up into a frothing idiocy here are just as present on the continent.

Re: Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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I can't express it better. Please, leave

The choice is really for British people not Euro mainlanders. The western European nations, particularly the French do not like the UK in the EU.

There's a lot to be gained from being in the EU. As a startup having the possibility to 'passport' into the EU is one of the most magnificent things, one license 28+ countries. This includes banking & finance (FCA) licenses. It is enviable to do this even in the US where 50 separate licenses are needed in some cases.

Re: Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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I saw a fair bit of anti-British thinking in the European deputies. I sense France and Germany would be able to go through with a few things that previously they couldn't. It's hard to say if this would actually benefit Europe. It all depends if the UK's contribution to European debates is actually productive.

It's almost certain Britain's trading position would be weakened outside the EU. But I'm unsure if the EU would benefit from Britain's exit. It depends if the UK is blocking things would be positive for the EU, something I've seen no evidence of yet.

Re: Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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I can't express it better. Please, leave

The choice is really for British people not Euro mainlanders. The western European nations, particularly the French do not like the UK in the EU. There's a lot to be gained from being in the EU. As a startup having the possibility to 'passport' into the EU is one of the most magnificent things, one license 28+ countries. This includes banking & finance (FCA) licenses. It is enviable to do this even in the US where 50…

> The choice is really for British people not Euro mainlanders

Perhaps then should be a referendum to ask the "Euro mainlanders" if they want a UK with the privileges they have

> There's a lot to be gained from being in the EU

Yes, but with the same rules than all the other countries, not like now that they cherry pick what they want.

Re: Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The choice is really for British people not Euro mainlanders. The western European nations, particularly the French do not like the UK in the EU. There's a lot to be gained from being in the EU. As a startup having the possibility to 'passport' into the EU is one of the most magnificent things, one license 28+ countries. This includes banking & finance (FCA) licenses. It is enviable to do this even in the US where 50…

> The choice is really for British people not Euro mainlanders Perhaps then should be a referendum to ask the "Euro mainlanders" if they want a UK with the privileges they have > There's a lot to be gained from being in the EU Yes, but with the same rules than all the other countries, not like now that they cherry pick what they want.

> Perhaps then should be a referendum to ask the "Euro mainlanders" if they want a UK with the privileges they have.

The EU mainlander area's elected representatives forged this deal.

The privileges the UK sought like the 'red card' system apply to the whole of the EU.

There's nothing stopping an EU country from getting the same terms on the integration bit, indeed some countries have done that to varying degrees - Switzerland (EEC), Iceland (EEC), Denmark (own currency), Norway (EEC with EU laws) & Sweden (own currency) & Turkey (customs union)

If you're a Spaniard don't you have to worry about Catalonia?

The EU allows states to 'minitiarize' and devolve down once the trivialities of sovereignty and the '3 basics' EEC principles are sorted out

Re: Open Letter from a Eurocitizen Living in London: Brits, Vote for Brexit

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> special treatment as granted by the other EU member states. It did not adopt the Euro, it does not participate in Schengen, and it can pick and choose from within the areas of security, justice and police cooperation as it pleases

All of the european north is not in the Euro, other countries (e.g bulgaria) are not in Shengen, and every other country has the same options too choose (with consequences). There is nothing special about the UK in the EU, as much as Cameron wants to claim the opposite. Despite political gestures, the UK has no other option than to stay in the EU, the opposite would be inane. As the author himself suggests, if they left, they would soon find themselves wanting back, for purely practical reasons. They are not even a barrier to a closer union, there are other more important issues.

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