Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
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Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#2Previous discussion on HN after the first time it was seized
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#3Mr. Canfield's thoughts on the matter:
>> Of course, though the facts of the case are yet to be seen since no one in Germany is talking to us, I will definitely never host anything in Germany ever again
He was trusting of authorities and purposely did not use TLS (beyond STARTTLS) or encrypt his hard drives. And this is what happens. They take his hard drives immediately and seize his entire service.
How are we supposed to trust the authorities when they make themselves untrustable?
How are we, as server admins, supposed to stand down and backdoor our servers for law enforcement when this happens, when we know we can't trust them to use their powers responsibly?
Every time some big NSA exposé is unveiled, every time someone gets raided for no particular reason, I get to reaffirm my distrust of the Internet police, in whatever form they choose to take.
Policing the Internet is untenable and useless. Don't help the authorities attack your users, because oftentimes...
you're their last defense.
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#4His video statement is pretty funny; I wish they were all this funny. https://u.pomf.is/imrkjv.webm "Steadfast commitment to a cock joke".
I'm kind of surprised Hetzner didn't replace a hard drive after the first raid; it was apparently operating in degraded RAID-1.
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#5Ignoring the childish domain name, hopefully the discussion won't go down that route again - that guy seems quite sincere and explains the situation quite well.
My take away: Don't (blindly) trust Germany, and certainly don't use Hetzner. If he's correct ("Hetzner didn't provide a copy of the confiscation order to me or my lawyer") I'm glad to be the first in this community that runs around, arms flailing, shouting "Hetzner is bad, Hetzner is the devil".
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#6His video statement is pretty funny; I wish they were all this funny. https://u.pomf.is/imrkjv.webm "Steadfast commitment to a cock joke". I'm kind of surprised Hetzner didn't replace a hard drive after the first raid; it was apparently operating in degraded RAID-1.
I'm surprised that they give out your drive(s) without handing out a document that explains why they had to do that.
As far as I'm aware (not a lawyer, a complete layman) there's no 'gag order' here. So, my limited understanding so far is that this is either a complete fuck-up ("Nah, we don't care to provide that document") or malicious. Even if I follow the 'probably stupid, not malicious' argument: Why would you want to pay Hetzner if this video is correct and you won't even be able to get the documentation for them handing out your data?
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#7Ignoring the childish domain name, hopefully the discussion won't go down that route again - that guy seems quite sincere and explains the situation quite well. My take away: Don't (blindly) trust Germany, and certainly don't use Hetzner. If he's correct ("Hetzner didn't provide a copy of the confiscation order to me or my lawyer") I'm glad to be the first in this community that runs around, arms flailing, shouting "…
Is there a place where info like this is tracked? For performance/features you can find some level of information in various forums, but trying to find stories like this is probably difficult.
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#8Ignoring the childish domain name, hopefully the discussion won't go down that route again - that guy seems quite sincere and explains the situation quite well. My take away: Don't (blindly) trust Germany, and certainly don't use Hetzner. If he's correct ("Hetzner didn't provide a copy of the confiscation order to me or my lawyer") I'm glad to be the first in this community that runs around, arms flailing, shouting "…
About 10 years ago I've been running a popular German blog with a lively comments/discussion area. It didn't take long till the police showed up and took the server hard drives.
To my misfortune the procurator in charge didn't know much about how blogs worked so not only did the police confiscate the server drives but also my private computer.
Turns out someone liked Hitler too much and some other user notified the police.
Since then I haven't hosted anything in Germany. It's just too much trouble because German law regarding insults/forbidden symbols/hate speech is very strict. Policing user comments on a popular site would be a full time job.
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#9since people seem surprised, let me reiterate on those laughable german data protection laws:
http://glasz.org/sheeplog/2015/02/data-privacy-regulations-i...
DO NOT trust any government or company. everything is full of submissive sheep. particularly so in germany.
Re: Cock.li server seized again by German prosecutor, service moves to Romania
#10His video statement is pretty funny; I wish they were all this funny. https://u.pomf.is/imrkjv.webm "Steadfast commitment to a cock joke". I'm kind of surprised Hetzner didn't replace a hard drive after the first raid; it was apparently operating in degraded RAID-1.
I'm surprised that they give out your drive(s) without handing out a document that explains why they had to do that. As far as I'm aware (not a lawyer, a complete layman) there's no 'gag order' here. So, my limited understanding so far is that this is either a complete fuck-up ("Nah, we don't care to provide that document") or malicious. Even if I follow the 'probably stupid, not malicious' argument: Why would you wa…
Why do you assume there's no gag order? From what I understand it's either that or what you suggest.