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Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

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Post by trtmrt »

Think about it, if news are not good and no one votes they will drop anyway, and after one hour or so no one will vote for them.

Censorship by definition is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information.

But, if first user who has admin rights decided to mark something as "dead" basically he acts same as people in Stasi Germany, filtering the continent for "greater good".

[Update] Additionally, why is sharing other people things considered ok but sharing your own things consider bad and banned?

[Update 2] I would gladly answer but I am getting message I am submitting too fast

Example:

For instance for the following account [grisanik] everything from that story [10790985], has marked as "dead", it is distopian/utopian story about two futures.

https://hacker-news.firebaseio.com/v0/user/grisanik.json?print=pretty

Why is that story considered as spam? On that site there is no adverts?

Tell me what is considered as on topic I just read the story about gang rape. How is that on topic with Hack news?

>>>> Comment "You are saying HN is not ok to say I made this what do you think about it? and then I made something else what do you think about that?" But it is ok with U1 "Elon Musk ..." U2 "Elon Musk ..." U3 "Elon Musk ..."

I know that Elon Musk is awesome I do not to read about him here I can go to his official site.

What is that you people make? That is what interest me... But again maybe I am wrong ...

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

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Post by CarolineW »

It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic.

For example - spam really doesn't belong, and should be flagged. When that happens, the item is killed and is marked as [dead].

Do you have any specific item in mind?

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

#3

Post by ctdonath »

Censorship by definition is "the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security", with the clear understanding that attempting to bypass it by publishing elsewhere will be likewise censored and likely punished.

Routine maintaining of order & interest on a private site is NOT censorship; you are welcome to publish your content & links elsewhere, and HN admins (and users flagging objectionable content) will not come after you to erase such publication or punish you for publishing it anyway.

Stasi would kill you for persisting in publishing prohibited content. PG et al won't.

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

#4

Post by trtmrt »

CarolineW wrote: post #2

It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic. For example - spam really doesn't belong, and should be flagged. When that happens, the item is killed and is marked as [dead]. Do you have any specific item in mind?

Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly.

So, my additional question to this, are we unintentionally crating a structure/trend of followers instead of leaders? By encuraging people to follow instead to create?

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

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Post by minimaxir »

trtmrt wrote: post #4
CarolineW wrote: post #2

It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic. For example - spam really doesn't belong, and should be flagged. When that happens, the item is killed and is marked as [dead]. Do you have any specific item in mind?

Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. So, my additional question to this, are we unintentionally crating a structure/trend of followers instead of leaders? By encuraging people to follow instead to create?

> Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly.

Er, that's spam and most websites would ban you for doing that, not just HN.

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

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Post by CarolineW »

trtmrt wrote: post #4
CarolineW wrote: post #2

It's nothing to do with admins - it's ordinary users flagging items as not being appropriate for HN. They might even be interesting, it's just that some things are not on-topic. For example - spam really doesn't belong, and should be flagged. When that happens, the item is killed and is marked as [dead]. Do you have any specific item in mind?

Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. So, my additional question to this, are we unintentionally crating a structure/trend of followers instead of leaders? By encuraging people to follow instead to create?

Have you considered that the content you're sharing is not really on-topic for HN? Do you have some links? There's nothing listed as submissions under your username.

Quite a few people share mostly only their own things and they don't get banned.

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

#7

Post by trtmrt »

ctdonath wrote: post #3

Censorship by definition is "the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security", with the clear understanding that attempting to bypass it by publishing elsewhere will be likewise censored and likely punished. Routine maintaining of order & interest on a private site is NOT censorship; you are welcome to publish your…

But this is the thing, other sites have similar idea of "censorship", you cannot post your own things. So, if people are centred on specific sites, where can you post?

Maybe they will not kill you physically but surely they will kill your electronic life.

Also question is following if people gather on private site are those sites private or public?

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

#8

Post by trtmrt »

minimaxir wrote: post #5
trtmrt wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. So, my additional question to this, are we unintentionally crating a structure/trend of followers instead of leaders? By encuraging people to follow instead to create?

> Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. Er, that's spam and most websites would ban you for doing that, not just HN.

Are you ok with that?

Why are pepole ok with sharing other people things, but it is not ok to share your own things?

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

#9

Post by CarolineW »

trtmrt wrote: post #8
minimaxir wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, specific thing is that if you share only own things you will be suspended completly. Er, that's spam and most websites would ban you for doing that, not just HN.

Are you ok with that? Why are pepole ok with sharing other people things, but it is not ok to share your own things?

You're not listening. Other people do share their own stuff, and don't get banned, and the items don't get flagged.

GIVE US SOME EXAMPLES!

Re: Does "dead" status on HackerNews means suppression of the freedom of speech?

#10

Post by CarolineW »

In answer to your update:

    [Update] Additionally, why is sharing other
    people things considered ok but sharing your
    own things consider bad and banned?
In general, it's not. Maybe the stuff you're submitting is simply not regarded as on-topic for HN.

As I've said elsewhere, give us some examples, and we can give you some feedback.

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