Elephant in the Valley

#1

Post by ClifReeder » Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 8:54 PM UTC

Elephant in the Valley
elephantinthevalley.com

Re: Elephant in the Valley

#2

Post by drallison » Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 9:15 PM UTC

The reported survey results are disturbing and match those reported in other anecdotal surveys I have read and comments made to me by female colleagues and friends.

I do wish that the survey designers had not relied on self-selection in their sample so that the results could be a more reliable predictor of the prevalence of these behaviors in the general population.

The recent HN comments on the NY Times Article, When Teamwork Doesn't Work For Women, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/upshot/when-teamwork-doesn..., shows that prejudice and bias similar to those reported here is alive and well in the HN Community.

Raising consciousness is a commendable goal, but it does not do anything to correct the problem.

Re: Elephant in the Valley

#3

Post by kelukelugames » Mon, Jan 11, 2016, 11:20 PM UTC

"All of these complaints are anecdotes! No way they are universally true."

Sees link with numbers.

"Source is biased because they mention Ellen Pao. Data is invalid!"

Re: Elephant in the Valley

#4

Post by dikdik » Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 12:35 AM UTC

"47% have been asked to do lower-level tasks that male colleagues are not asked to do (e.g., note-taking, ordering food, etc.) 32% disagree that they have been asked to do these tasks."

Biased reporting much? 47% of people have had to do lower level tasks, 32% of people did not admit to having to do these lower level tasks.

Why not give the people that disagree the same agency? To further push an agenda (let's not even talk about the lack of comparison to men, only women's lives aren't perfect so lets focus on that). If you were trying to be impartial it would have stated "32% have not been asked to do lower-level tasks."

Feminism step your fucking game up, I'm tired of your shit.

Re: Elephant in the Valley

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Post by DrScump » Tue, Jan 12, 2016, 12:52 AM UTC

drallison wrote: post #2

The reported survey results are disturbing and match those reported in other anecdotal surveys I have read and comments made to me by female colleagues and friends. I do wish that the survey designers had not relied on self-selection in their sample so that the results could be a more reliable predictor of the prevalence of these behaviors in the general population. The recent HN comments on the NY Times Article, Whe…

  prejudice and bias similar to those reported (in the NYT
  article) is alive and well in the HN Community.

How so? The examples in that article are all in academia. To generalize those results to the HN community without quoting similar, non-anecdotal data specific to the HN universe is a logical fallacy.