How these data science bootcamps claim that they can teach a person data science who don't even know programming. I would suggest there should be a standard specified by industry experts and every bootcamp has to follow it. Its really sad to see how these bootcamps teach shit on the name of data science and make fool of people's money.
Ask HN: Data science bootcamps false claim
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#2The data science bootcamps usually teach statistical programming. (e.g. numPy/SciKit), which is sufficient.
Re: Ask HN: Data science bootcamps false claim
#3The data science bootcamps usually teach statistical programming. (e.g. numPy/SciKit), which is sufficient.
So you are saying I can build google search engine if I learn python :)
I am pointing that people fooled by these bootcamp, which teach that if you know pyhton and some numpy etc you can become a data scientist. Which is hardly true.
Re: Ask HN: Data science bootcamps false claim
#4The data science bootcamps usually teach statistical programming. (e.g. numPy/SciKit), which is sufficient.
So you are saying I can build google search engine if I learn python :) I am pointing that people fooled by these bootcamp, which teach that if you know pyhton and some numpy etc you can become a data scientist. Which is hardly true.
Ideally you are not building a Google search engine while employed as a data scientist.
You're hitting on No True Scotsman in the sense that real Data Scientists must be programming experts. Granted, a strong focus in linear algebra and algorithms makes life easier, but keep in mind that many, many Data Analysts in Fortune 500 companies use Excel as their primary tool.
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#5> a standard specified by industry experts and every bootcamp has to follow it
How would anyone force them to follow it? The standard would have to be heavily marketed to prospective students, which would apply pressure on bootcamps to follow the standard. But that would cost money, and who would pay for that?
This is the kind of thing that historically snowballs into a huge mess, and then the government ends up regulating it because there's no way the market will.
See also: accreditation of schools, regulation of food-safety and food-quality practices, etc.
You can also see an industry where the government hasn't regulated that much, which is organic food in the US. That's a huge disaster, where the organic buzzword is applied to a wide variety of products with a wide variety of histories. Consumers have no idea what they're really buying.
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So you are saying I can build google search engine if I learn python :) I am pointing that people fooled by these bootcamp, which teach that if you know pyhton and some numpy etc you can become a data scientist. Which is hardly true.
Ideally you are not building a Google search engine while employed as a data scientist. You're hitting on No True Scotsman in the sense that real Data Scientists must be programming experts. Granted, a strong focus in linear algebra and algorithms makes life easier, but keep in mind that many, many Data Analysts in Fortune 500 companies use Excel as their primary tool.
I am trying to point out that data science can't be learned in bootcamp. It need at least 2-3 years of work to be employable in industry as data scientist. And what the bootcamps teach in class is pretty basic which anybody can learn for free.
Bootcamp misguide people by telling them that data science is easy and you can learn in 3 months by paying big bucks to them. In a way its kind of fraud. Think about it if you go to trader's joe and you ask for full toned organic milk and what you get is regular fat free milk (and we don't even know if there is a world where regular fat free milk is free).
Re: Ask HN: Data science bootcamps false claim
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ideally you are not building a Google search engine while employed as a data scientist. You're hitting on No True Scotsman in the sense that real Data Scientists must be programming experts. Granted, a strong focus in linear algebra and algorithms makes life easier, but keep in mind that many, many Data Analysts in Fortune 500 companies use Excel as their primary tool.
I am trying to point out that data science can't be learned in bootcamp. It need at least 2-3 years of work to be employable in industry as data scientist. And what the bootcamps teach in class is pretty basic which anybody can learn for free. Bootcamp misguide people by telling them that data science is easy and you can learn in 3 months by paying big bucks to them. In a way its kind of fraud. Think about it if you…
You want to claim fraud, then you need to come here with some data showing that the people who go through these camps do not get jobs as data scientists.