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New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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Re: New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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It's curious to see Guantanamo Bay mentioned by name. I wonder if one of the reasons we're having trouble closing it is because the psychological health of the inmates has deteriorated to a state which so obviously violates ethical guidelines on prisoner treatment and perhaps even human experimentation.

Re: New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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post #4

It's curious to see Guantanamo Bay mentioned by name. I wonder if one of the reasons we're having trouble closing it is because the psychological health of the inmates has deteriorated to a state which so obviously violates ethical guidelines on prisoner treatment and perhaps even human experimentation.

You think the authorities tortured these people so bad that their only recourse is to wait for them to die / kill them all before closing to hide the evidence?

I wouldn't be surprised.

Re: New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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By itself, this accomplishes nothing but giving themselves moral cover. It's just words; there are no consequences. Consider:

* The message is clear: You can do these things, we'll let them slide at the time, and much later, too late to have any effect, we'll issue meaningless condemation and policy. Does anyone doubt that the next time a President or other authority in the US government faces this choice, they will disregard the APA completely and assume they will go along?

* There is no punishment for the perpetrators. These people planned and aided the commission of viscious, brutal crimes on a mass scale. They are sociopaths and should be in prison, the same place we put the Nazi's, rapists and mass murderers.

* There is no concern for the victims. There is absolutely no mention of them, inquiry into the effects on them, attempt to help them, or restitution. It confirms the government's effective position that, as "terrorists", they are sub-human and their rights and welfare can be disregarded.

So many people lacked the courage to stand up to the criminal and immoral acts of the US government at the time. It remains one of the most depressing (literally, de-moralizing) experiences of my life.

EDIT: I should add that the APA may have taken other actions that address my concerns. I reworded some of the above to address that possibility.

Re: New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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Only 14 years too late.

I'll take now over never.

They're not helping torture anyone right now due to a lack of demand, so it doesn't matter what their policy is. If they're needed again, they can quietly repeal or carve massive semantic exceptions to this e.g. is it an interrogation or an interview?

Re: New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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> Work at detention settings operating in violation of the U.S. Constitution or international law (as deemed by specific U.N. authorities), including the Guantanamo Bay detention facility…

Well, that begs the question of whether or not the Gitmo facility is unconstitutional or illegal (literally: it's a textbook pætitio principi).

Never mind the fact that refusing to participate in legal, ethical interrogations intended to protect the lives of millions is itself a highly unethical act. That's exactly what this blanket policy prevents: it assumes that national-security interrogations can be neither legal nor ethical, when it's pretty obvious that they can be.

Re: New APA Policy Banning Psychologists from National Security Interrogations

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post #7

By itself, this accomplishes nothing but giving themselves moral cover. It's just words; there are no consequences. Consider: * The message is clear: You can do these things, we'll let them slide at the time, and much later, too late to have any effect, we'll issue meaningless condemation and policy. Does anyone doubt that the next time a President or other authority in the US government faces this choice, they will…

The only lever the APA has is to revoke membership of participants, that won't stop the government and it won't stop many individuals from participating.

As far as I can tell, they aren't a licensing body, so that revocation wouldn't even stop someone from continuing to work in the field.

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