IA or AI?

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Post by rudenoise » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 8:17 AM UTC

IA or AI?
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Re: IA or AI?

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Post by MaysonL » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 9:18 AM UTC

When considering intelligence amplification, the book that comes to mind is Psychohistorical Crisis, by Donald Kingsbury. Computer-to-brain interfaces may go a long way in the next few thousand years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistorical_Crisis

Re: IA or AI?

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Post by musha68k » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 10:41 AM UTC

Nothing is more high-tech than culture, it's everything even if we tend to work over the seemingly faceless Internet these days - it's people all the way down.

Re: IA or AI?

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Post by yang140 » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 1:04 PM UTC

John Markoff's new book "Machines of Loving Grace" is a great one about this AI vs IA topic. http://www.amazon.com/Machines-Loving-Grace-Common-Between/d...

Re: IA or AI?

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Post by otoburb » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 1:09 PM UTC

"[...] good notation is worth a whopping increment in IQ points. Except that the really good ones allow one to have thoughts that are impossible without."

I posit this post tangentially explains the nagging feeling that many parents[1] experience when their children struggle with mathematics. The benefits of basic language literacy are clear, but follow-on analogies such as the above emphasize a point of view concluding that an inability to attain mathematical fluency excludes the next generation from any implied augmented intelligence benefits.

The extrapolated message would be that mathematically disinclined adults will then be completely unable to comprehend certain important thoughts in [insert arcane, highly-specialized technical field].

Regarding the question posed by the title and last sentence in the blog post, I'm not sure why the thrust is framed as an XOR, and not as an AND. It's not like we can't focus on both IA and AI at the same time.

[1] Anecdata warning: I am a parent. I have this nagging feeling.

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Post by bytesandbots » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 1:13 PM UTC

That enforces my belief that the influx of new programming languages will continue for some more years and it will only get better.

Re: IA or AI?

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Post by Practicality » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 1:49 PM UTC

It seems obvious to me that IA is where the tremendous benefits to society occur. Imagine a world where everyone has the equivalent of a genius IQ today. A lot of problems suddenly disappear.

AI, on the other hand, while very useful, doesn't change people. And frankly, most problems we have are because people lack understanding. I don't know about you, but I don't actually want to replace mankind with something else, I just want us all better.

Of course, what "better" is--is highly debatable, so that definitely gives pause as well.

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Post by arethuza » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 1:58 PM UTC

MaysonL wrote: post #2

When considering intelligence amplification, the book that comes to mind is Psychohistorical Crisis , by Donald Kingsbury. Computer-to-brain interfaces may go a long way in the next few thousand years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistorical_Crisis

Also Vernon Vinge's Rainbows End which has both IA and AI in a fairly plausible near future scenario:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbows_End

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Post by mziel » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 2:12 PM UTC

Practicality wrote: post #7

It seems obvious to me that IA is where the tremendous benefits to society occur. Imagine a world where everyone has the equivalent of a genius IQ today. A lot of problems suddenly disappear. AI, on the other hand, while very useful, doesn't change people. And frankly, most problems we have are because people lack understanding. I don't know about you, but I don't actually want to replace mankind with something else,…

> A lot of problems suddenly disappear.

Not to be negative but citation needed.

Also (I guess we'll cross "isolation" of the list): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_giftedness#Social...

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Post by rntz » Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 2:16 PM UTC

otoburb wrote: post #5

"[...] good notation is worth a whopping increment in IQ points. Except that the really good ones allow one to have thoughts that are impossible without." I posit this post tangentially explains the nagging feeling that many parents[1] experience when their children struggle with mathematics. The benefits of basic language literacy are clear, but follow-on analogies such as the above emphasize a point of view conclud…

> an inability to attain mathematical fluency excludes the next generation from any implied augmented intelligence benefits.

Well, only in some ways. I don't have to understand how a refrigerator works in order to use it. Improvements in quality of life produced by use of augmented intelligence ought to be accessible even to those without it.