Haskell for Mac

#1

Post by grayprog » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 5:36 AM UTC

Re: Haskell for Mac

#2

Post by eridius » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 7:55 AM UTC

Reading this page, it sounds very cool. It also sounds like it's heavily inspired by Swift Playgrounds, including using SpriteKit as an example.

I am a bit baffled as to why it says the Haskell code can't initiate network connections. Yeah the app is sandboxed, but sandboxed apps can easily request network access. And it seems like that's a common-enough thing to want that it should support it.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#3

Post by Tehnix » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 7:59 AM UTC

eridius wrote: post #2

Reading this page, it sounds very cool. It also sounds like it's heavily inspired by Swift Playgrounds, including using SpriteKit as an example. I am a bit baffled as to why it says the Haskell code can't initiate network connections. Yeah the app is sandboxed, but sandboxed apps can easily request network access. And it seems like that's a common-enough thing to want that it should support it.

Yeah, that one stuck to me as well. I don't know if they mean anything specific with "network connections" here, cause I see a lot of apps that talk to the outside world on the MAS.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#4

Post by zer00eyz » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 7:59 AM UTC

Can someone who knows more about Haskell explain to me what the hell I'm getting for 25 bucks here? Cant I replicate all of the features it has with off the shelf tools/editors that are free? Wouldn't that path be less limited than this "sandboxed" app with "access other files or to initiate a network connection will be rejected by the operating system" restrictions?

Re: Haskell for Mac

#5

Post by trymas » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 8:01 AM UTC

I would like to see some demo version, as 20€ is a bit too much to drop.

Looks cool, lots of inspiration from swift playgrounds. Though, aren't there any open source alternatives (I have never tried haskell), probably similar to ipython (jupyter) stack?

Re: Haskell for Mac

#6

Post by coldtea » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 8:02 AM UTC

zer00eyz wrote: post #4

Can someone who knows more about Haskell explain to me what the hell I'm getting for 25 bucks here? Cant I replicate all of the features it has with off the shelf tools/editors that are free? Wouldn't that path be less limited than this "sandboxed" app with "access other files or to initiate a network connection will be rejected by the operating system" restrictions?

>Cant I replicate all of the features it has with off the shelf tools/editors that are free?

You obviously get the convenience of NOT having to replicate all these, and the guaranteed experience of those parts working together as soon as you install it, and with a nice GUI at that.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#7

Post by eridius » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 8:03 AM UTC

Tehnix wrote: post #3

eridius wrote: post #2

Reading this page, it sounds very cool. It also sounds like it's heavily inspired by Swift Playgrounds, including using SpriteKit as an example. I am a bit baffled as to why it says the Haskell code can't initiate network connections. Yeah the app is sandboxed, but sandboxed apps can easily request network access. And it seems like that's a common-enough thing to want that it should support it.

Yeah, that one stuck to me as well. I don't know if they mean anything specific with "network connections" here, cause I see a lot of apps that talk to the outside world on the MAS.

I think it just means the app didn't request the ability to make network requests. I just don't understand why not.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#8

Post by Nullabillity » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 8:08 AM UTC

trymas wrote: post #5

I would like to see some demo version, as 20€ is a bit too much to drop. Looks cool, lots of inspiration from swift playgrounds. Though, aren't there any open source alternatives (I have never tried haskell), probably similar to ipython (jupyter) stack?

Perhaps IHaskell (https://github.com/gibiansky/IHaskell) is what you're looking for? It seems to be available on Jupyter's demo website.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#9

Post by tonylxc » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 8:09 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #6

zer00eyz wrote: post #4

Can someone who knows more about Haskell explain to me what the hell I'm getting for 25 bucks here? Cant I replicate all of the features it has with off the shelf tools/editors that are free? Wouldn't that path be less limited than this "sandboxed" app with "access other files or to initiate a network connection will be rejected by the operating system" restrictions?

> Cant I replicate all of the features it has with off the shelf tools/editors that are free? You obviously get the convenience of NOT having to replicate all these, and the guaranteed experience of those parts working together as soon as you install it, and with a nice GUI at that.

Sounds good but still not convincing. For example, R can do the same thing, too, or even better. And it can be integrated with other programming languages. I would never buy it either until somebody really shows it's worth the money.

Re: Haskell for Mac

#10

Post by Tehnix » Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 8:26 AM UTC

tonylxc wrote: post #9

coldtea wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cant I replicate all of the features it has with off the shelf tools/editors that are free? You obviously get the convenience of NOT having to replicate all these, and the guaranteed experience of those parts working together as soon as you install it, and with a nice GUI at that.

Sounds good but still not convincing. For example, R can do the same thing, too, or even better. And it can be integrated with other programming languages. I would never buy it either until somebody really shows it's worth the money.

This has little to do with Haskell as a language, and more to do with this specific tool. Your argument is a little like saying about paying for an editor "For example, VIM can do the same thing, too, or even better...".

What you get is a nice looking environment with a built-in playground alá Swift's, that can visualise data, types and even games.