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As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by jdauriemma »

stronglikedan wrote: post #870
jdauriemma wrote: post #674

I see symptoms of this all the time. For example, it's a weekly annoyance for folks to pop into /r/strava to showcase their vibe-coded app that uses the Strava API to do $THING. Then someone invariably points out that an existing app (or even Strava itself) already does $THING, and often it's free. I don't mean to be negative, I think it's great that people are building useful niche software and I don't blame them fo…

I've used a lot of free features that I would have implemented differently, and now I can (if I weren't so lazy).

No doubt, but I'd expect that to be accompanied by something like "I know App X and App Y do $THING, but here's the distinction between how they do it and how my App Z does it." I don't think I've ever seen that sort of nuance expressed in this context, which makes me doubt that they grasp the ecosystem.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by apothegm »

inigyou wrote: post #981
apothegm wrote: post #980

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Ideally any, and yes, I’m aware that that currently includes the US. Being located there (though very much opposed to said war) it’s a bit difficult for me to boycott, personally.

Do you boycott Israel?

I’m not aware of anything I buy/use that comes from Israel, so it’s been a moot point.

I do maintain some boycotts that significantly inconvenience me (Amazon being one; I won’t enumerate them all), so I’m not just making excuses for inaction.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by hnlmorg »

win311fwg wrote: post #987
hnlmorg wrote: post #944

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That’s some serious mental gymnastics you’re applying there but that’s not really how society works. We, as a society, fully understand the concept of truthful and untruthful statements. We learn it as a child and get scalded when we lie. We depend on this understanding in law, courts, contracts, and commerce. We understand it when educators teach and when requesting services of others. If you want to claim that comm…

Right, society functions on opinion, but there is no scientific basis for it. Its just making shit up and running with it. You aren't charging someone for lying. Detecting the utterance of a lie is fundamentally impossible as there is no objective way to measure language. Language itself is just opinion. You'd, instead, be charging them for them for going against your opinion. No mental gymnastics needed. Its just th…

Again, society is literally built around the exact opposite of the premise you’re arguing

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621

https://www.gov.uk/contempt-of-court

https://www.uklegalguides.com/what-is-fraud/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-Truth_Pledge

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8n99727lvo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

And they are literally hundreds of thousands of other examples I could share where communication is understood to have provable truthful states.

Literally no one, aside yourself, believes that it’s impossible to communicate a fact nor that lies doesn’t exist.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by jfyi »

chrisjj wrote: post #984
jfyi wrote: post #959

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I have already said, it's done by establishing trust by tying identity to images. Your assertions aren't a counter to that. You thinking they are shows a lack of understanding of how to verify truth on a fundamental level. Let's also list the points you have conceded by quietly giving them up: 1. Hacking the camera is irrelevant. 2. Images can be verified. Do you want to actually engage with the conversation? The fun…

> I have already said, it's done by establishing trust by tying identity to images. You've said it, but you've not credibly substantiated it. Imagine a famous photo journalist dies and there emerge "AI" fake pics signed with creds stolen from his hacked camera. Trust isn't part of a solution. It is part of the problem.

Then the cert is pulled with a date and the timestamps on the images can be used to verify when they happened. This is generally how you'd handle theft. You can then also resign with a new cert at a later date.

Besides, after a famous journalist dies, their work is already famous, people already know it or don't. This is a contrived and irrelevant example.

Again, this is not hypothetical, we already know how this works. Next one please.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by win311fwg »

hnlmorg wrote: post #993
win311fwg wrote: post #987

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, society functions on opinion, but there is no scientific basis for it. Its just making shit up and running with it. You aren't charging someone for lying. Detecting the utterance of a lie is fundamentally impossible as there is no objective way to measure language. Language itself is just opinion. You'd, instead, be charging them for them for going against your opinion. No mental gymnastics needed. Its just th…

Again, society is literally built around the exact opposite of the premise you’re arguing https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621 https://www.gov.uk/contempt-of-court https://www.uklegalguides.com/what-is-fraud/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-Truth_Pledge https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8n99727lvo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton And they are literally hundreds of thousands of…

> Literally no one, aside yourself, believes that it’s impossible to communicate

I don't know, there is pretty strong evidence in this discussion that we are unable to communicate. Your apparent opinion of I am saying continues to show to be incorrect over and over — and I'm sure that goes both ways.

In fact, it seems evident that, deep down, you already realize this as you have stopped even trying to add anything of your own to the discussion, outsourcing to the words of others. Poor form to not be able to speak to something yourself, but I can appreciate that your emotions are starting to run wild on realizing that the world isn't as simple as you originally imagined.

But, as before, I likely have the wrong opinion about what you are trying to say. There is no objective way to measure language. QED.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by chrisjj »

jfyi wrote: post #994
chrisjj wrote: post #984

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> I have already said, it's done by establishing trust by tying identity to images. You've said it, but you've not credibly substantiated it. Imagine a famous photo journalist dies and there emerge "AI" fake pics signed with creds stolen from his hacked camera. Trust isn't part of a solution. It is part of the problem.

Then the cert is pulled with a date and the timestamps on the images can be used to verify when they happened. This is generally how you'd handle theft. You can then also resign with a new cert at a later date. Besides, after a famous journalist dies, their work is already famous, people already know it or don't. This is a contrived and irrelevant example. Again, this is not hypothetical, we already know how this wor…

Creations often emerge after the creator deaths - fake or genuine.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by jfyi »

chrisjj wrote: post #996
jfyi wrote: post #994

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the cert is pulled with a date and the timestamps on the images can be used to verify when they happened. This is generally how you'd handle theft. You can then also resign with a new cert at a later date. Besides, after a famous journalist dies, their work is already famous, people already know it or don't. This is a contrived and irrelevant example. Again, this is not hypothetical, we already know how this wor…

Creations often emerge after the creator deaths - fake or genuine.

And that's problematic if the certificate is also stolen at the same time, but that's why there is an authority to validate issues and address what needs to be done to resolve them.

Next one please.

Re: As AI eats the web, the internet’s collective memory is disappearing

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Post by hnlmorg »

win311fwg wrote: post #995
hnlmorg wrote: post #993

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, society is literally built around the exact opposite of the premise you’re arguing https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621 https://www.gov.uk/contempt-of-court https://www.uklegalguides.com/what-is-fraud/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-Truth_Pledge https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8n99727lvo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton And they are literally hundreds of thousands of…

> Literally no one, aside yourself, believes that it’s impossible to communicate I don't know, there is pretty strong evidence in this discussion that we are unable to communicate. Your apparent opinion of I am saying continues to show to be incorrect over and over — and I'm sure that goes both ways. In fact, it seems evident that, deep down, you already realize this as you have stopped even trying to add anything of…

Trolling isn’t the same as having a disagreement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpQlyUjp3vM

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