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What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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Small forums is the answer. In spain they are still popular and after some time it feels like an small town in the good sense, you know everyone and everyone knows you. Of course small forums will not IPO

Tildes is nice, Hubski's a nice slow and thoughtful

I'm very interested in these small-ish forum communities. They're always invite only, however. I guess that's what must be done to keep it sane.

Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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Saw a meme on mastodon the other day contrasting people of the '90s going online to escape from offline reality, and people of the '20s going offline to escape from online reality. There's something to that. I think a big part of it is just how incredibly toxic the web has become. If you spend any time online, as most tech workers do, you have exceptional resiliency if you're able to stay sane and level headed. Going…

> Going online it's like everyone is really angry and tired and sad all the time, and it's getting worse every year.

Oh my. You need to step up shepherding the algorithms that decide what to put in front of your eyes. If you reject content that contains angry, tired and sad people it stops showing up. And you are left with content by cool people, energetically and optimistically doing awesome things.

Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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As someone who has been in the industry over 25+ hands down this is the worst period of being online. There has always been that programmer who wanted to quit and run a restaurant, but tech world lost its original soul. We were making people’s lives better, now we are just creating more wealth gap. Majority of the industry is hostile, online communities are extremely hard to get into and very exclusive, if you are ne…

For me this culminated to a deep belief that technology =/= progress. This has shaken my core to re-evaluate who will ever be allowed to benefit from my skills and time, but ruined a lot of my genuine enjoyment and enthusiasm.

> For me this culminated to a deep belief that technology =/= progress.

I landed on the opposite conclusion. People don't progress in any domain if technology doesn't force them. Sometimes the ride might be bumpy and it might be taking them forwards kicking and screaming, but without new technology no progress happens on any issue.

Science drives technology, technology drives economy and technology and economy drive culture and science. That's the virtuous feedback loop that drives itself and everything human as a side effect.

Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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For me this culminated to a deep belief that technology =/= progress. This has shaken my core to re-evaluate who will ever be allowed to benefit from my skills and time, but ruined a lot of my genuine enjoyment and enthusiasm.

> For me this culminated to a deep belief that technology =/= progress. I landed on the opposite conclusion. People don't progress in any domain if technology doesn't force them. Sometimes the ride might be bumpy and it might be taking them forwards kicking and screaming, but without new technology no progress happens on any issue. Science drives technology, technology drives economy and technology and economy drive…

I agree that both individual and progress of humanity relies on technology. Considering the state of the planet currently, it's essential to support the population count.

To clarify, "=/=" is to denote "not equivalent", in that not all technology or advancement is progress.

I used to be naive and use/recommend things I now wish never existed. Not because they aren't useful or a potential future, but because of who owns and controls them now.

As time goes on, it's clear how dangerous certain tools can be in the wrong hands. If we aren't careful, the feedback loop can end up destroying us and/or limiting our freedoms. Unfortunately it appears this is the current road we are on.

On this forum, it's likely that the power we have starts with careful analysis of what we are building and who can use it in (unintended) negative ways.

Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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I don't know about anyone else, but I still quite enjoy knowing and learning things. I'm probably not going to stop knowing and learning things just because we made the knowing and learning things machine.

You probably actually like it.

Few of us left. Most are in it for the money.

Like doctors etc. the job becomes an immigrant dream job for the ez money but they have no passion for it

Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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In some cases being told "just treat it like you are a manager", when we've always done our level best to avoid anything vaguely like management because we like doing things particularly the nitty gritty details.

Nah, the part of management that sucks is the people. Management/operation of a thinking machine is a dream by comparison. With AI you can still get into the details all you want. AI won't get offended for being "micro-managed".

> With AI you can still get into the details all you want. AI won't get offended for being "micro-managed".

Until it does. That's the scifi answer, right: if LLMs lead to AGI, AGI has a right to be offended at being micro-managed. That's a part of intelligence to human experience and if we want the machines to artificially resemble human intelligence, we should expect things like being offended by micro-management.

Re: What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers

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But for a large proportion of people, "what they build" is meaningless (in social terms). Doing as you suggest would eliminate the majority of work.

Well then we would have more time to make art, play music, enjoy time with friends... Being fulfilled. I don't see work as a goal, just a way to accomplish something in our current society, but I would be perfectly fine in a society with no jobs the way we see them at the moment. I just spent my Saturday to take care of my grandmother. I was not paid for that, it isn't my job. But I for sure created more "value" than…

The problem the article restates is that having more time to make art/play music/enjoy time with friends isn't accurately incentivized by this economy. Rather than employ more people a smaller share of the work week companies are optimizing for fewer people at the same share of a work week. That's what the AI Layoff Waves have been for: companies reminding laborers that they aren't desired if a company can use fewer of them.

This current direction seems to be bad both for workers and for long-term health of companies. If they layoff enough workers and can't easily replace them because they find other uses of their time like art and creativity they risk sustainability by not being able to hire back the people they need and the skills that they trained those people to have in the first place.

The article stops short of offering proposed solutions to this current crisis, though.

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