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Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by subjectsigma »

integricho wrote: post #535
asa400 wrote: post #438

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> Worst outcome is the US attacks Cuba, Cuba allies with Iran, it turns out that Cuba has been stocking up on Iranian drones, and Cuba becomes a forward base for drone and missile attacks on the southern US. If this happens and Cuba decides to launch drones/missiles against the US homeland, it's not an exaggeration to say that Cuba is flattened and invaded that same afternoon. After 9/11, there's no world in which an…

It is so rich hearing that America can attack anybody, but godforbid an attack on the "homeland" is an unforgivable act that will invoke nukes immediately.

What a stupid thing to say. Are you suggesting America should let others attack their homeland for some reason?

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by paganel »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #955
paganel wrote: post #606

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The non-war obsessed normies are something to behold, that's for sure. Most probably the GP has never looked at the FPV videos coming out of Ukraine, or maybe he somehow thinks that US soldiers are Terminator-like machines who would have nothing to fear from aerial drones.

whooptie doo, you're special and those who disagree with you are normies. that doesn't make a good argument, neither does misrepresenting what I said. and all your speculation about me there is wrong (your argument shouldn't be about me but about the topic anyways?). I'm sure US troops will be plenty terrified, and there will be lots of casualties, you just made that argument on my behalf so you could have something…

You have to be a normie to believe that a ground operation as currently envisaged by the US political leaders would be anything else but a suicide mission. This is not about “winning arguments on the internet” or some such, because in the end these arguments do not matter, it’s a basic matter of not sending men to die in a suicide mission.

Unless this being a suicide mission isn’t the stated goal of the current US political leaders, but that’s another discussion.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by integricho »

subjectsigma wrote: post #991
integricho wrote: post #535

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It is so rich hearing that America can attack anybody, but godforbid an attack on the "homeland" is an unforgivable act that will invoke nukes immediately.

What a stupid thing to say. Are you suggesting America should let others attack their homeland for some reason?

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by class3shock »

jojobas wrote: post #378
class3shock wrote: post #360

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The point is a country like Iran can, in 2026, force the US Navy to keep an large stand off distance. How much further could a country like China keep the Navy back? What about in 10 years? Eventually you are beyond the range of being able to project force or risking losing billions invested in one asset to a $50k missile. That is where reality is heading.

Seems like USN can still do whatever it was made for from this large standoff distance, also seems like it wasn't made for chasing individual nondescript trucks in a hundreds-miles-long mountainous shoreline.

The USN, specifically aircraft carriers, where designed to project power. No one on the world stage is looking at the USNs inability to open the Strait of Hormuz and seeing successful power projection.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by locallost »

munificent wrote: post #259
sph wrote: post #93

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Number 1 reason why I want to see the United States of America and its very loud citizens get a taste of humble pie in this self-inflicted crisis of idiocy with global ramifications. Even when discussing a war that's obviously gone out of hand with no easy resolution in right, there's still this air, this attitude from American commenters that somehow the might and brilliance of the US military will prevail in the en…

> I want to see the United States of America and its very loud citizens get a taste of humble pie in this self-inflicted crisis of idiocy with global ramifications. I sympathize with the sentiment even though I am American. The problem with this is that Americans are not a uniform cohort. The people who deserve to eat humble pie in this scenario are neck deep in propaganda and their own inflated egos and will never l…

You're 100% correct, but this is true for the Iranians, Russians and all other "enemies". Most people are however forced into these views because it serves a purpose. You're not afraid of the enemy if they are presented as normal humans with plenty of internal disagreement.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

asdff wrote: post #988
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #951

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Did you go to War College to learn this? I mean seriously, do you really think they would spend billions of dollars and millions of man hours training …. I mean, I’d it’s possible that maybe you just don’t understand the dynamics of war fighting and there is a reason for carriers to exist besides “fighting in the ocean?”

What are they for beyond a platform for landing planes?

It's so much more than that. You're asking something that is equivalent to "isn't a cpu just for doing binary stuff?" I would just look more into it. I think even the LLMs that everyone is so fond of will give you more information than that.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

rbanffy wrote: post #968
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #950

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Cuba would be foolish not to “neutralize” the US? You think Cuba has the capability to destroy the US Navy? Where did you learn all this?

Attacking a navy has proven easy and cheap. Right now they lack any significant military capability but that will not last forever.

Again, based on what? What reality are you living in because it is not the consensus one. You're just saying that. Also, you went from "neutralizing" to "attacking." Attacking anything is pretty easy. I really need a better form anti-Americanism, the one I keep seeing on HN is so weak and boring.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

bluegatty wrote: post #958
dinkumthinkum wrote: post #946

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The whole thing is stupid. The US wouldn’t flatten Cuba. Only leftists think the Cuban people support the communists. It’s like that Hasab Piker saying “the good Cubans are still in Cuba but the ones in the US that don’t like communism are crazy.” The reality is we would decapitate their regime, kill all their top brass, blow up their military installations, probably gave some collateral damages, and then in a year t…

"The reality is we would decapitate their regime, kill all their top brass, blow up their military installations, probably gave some collateral damages, and then in a year there would be reports, modern vehicles, and commerce." I couldn't imagine a delusional statement, considering we are literally at the moment, failing to 'change a regime' in an active war, once again! The lack of self awareness here is ... scary.…

All of those are different conflicts. There hasn't been change in Venezuela? Have you seen the political prisoners being released? Are you aware of Germany, Japan, or Panama? Every conflict is different. I thought the Iraq war foolish and the Afghanistan war did not have clear goals and too many different presidents. I think it is interesting that you know that no Cuban living in the US that does not listen to Joe Rogan and is not on Reddit doesn't think of Cuba as communist. It's a pretty unbelievable statement. I don't know if this some leftist No True Scotsman thing or what. You think because they are authoritarian, they are not communist? How do you think we ensure that I have a right to your labor if not by force? I guess we will just see what happens.

Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by [deleted] »

jojobas wrote: post #420
switchbak wrote: post #307

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Carriers have been in question long before this conflict. There's been a big question as to how effective and/or survivable a carrier battle group will be in the South Pacific, especially given China's long range anti-ship missiles. There's been a whole ramp up of very exquisite technology to try to get the upper hand here, but I don't expect we'll see the carrier be the force it has been over the last few generation…

Long-range anti-ship missiles of old are also obsolete, they and their launch problems are also too expensive for their vulnerability. A salvo Shahed-style drones launched from expendable unmanned vessels would overload a carrier group air defences way cheaper than old school ASMs from frigates.

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Re: Why the US Navy won't blast the Iranians and 'open' Strait of Hormuz

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Post by AsItIs »

Animats wrote: post #426

A big mistake here was simply underestimating the scale of Iran. Iran has 90,000,000 people. More than 2x Ukraine. More than 2x Germany. More than 2x Iraq. More than any country in Europe. About 2/3 of Russia. Expecting to win a war on the cheap was a fantasy. Especially since Iran has been fighting Israel for years. On the naval front, Ukraine sunk the Moskva with a few truck-mounted missiles. That finally made it u…

Some claim, Islamic fascist Republic massacred 90,000 of its own people.

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[Congressional Record Volume 172, Number 41 (Wednesday, March 4, 2026)] [House]. [Pages H2395-H2412]. From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Publishing Office [www.gpo.gov]. Mr. MEUSER. Mr. Speaker..

Because of this regime's reign of terror, their own civilians rose up and protested, Mr. Speaker. Over the last 2 months, there are reports that as many as 90,000 Iranian civilians were murdered. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2026-03-04/html/CRE...

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{Christian activist Attieh Fard}

A cry for freedom from Iran | Opinion By Attieh Fard. 4 March 2026. Iranian Christian, Attieh Fard shares the anguish and hope surrounding Iran’s uprising, calling for urgent action and solidarity with those fighting for freedom. Mar 4, 2026 — ... murdered. The numbers are likely higher, with some reports suggesting that as many as 90,000 were killed, within just two days. Women were shot in their eyes and bellies. There were also reports of teenage girls being detained in unknown locations and some subjected to rape. https://www.womanalive.co.uk/opinion/a-cry-for-freedom-from-...

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