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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by heavyset_go »

Fokamul wrote: post #816
heavyset_go wrote: post #521

This is one of the reasons it's crucial that the next set of secure messaging systems does away with tying real phone numbers to accounts. One phone gets compromised and the whole network is identified with their phone numbers.

Using any mobile phone connected to mobile network is breach of OPSEC, period. Even more in countries, where you cannot get anonymous SIM card. Not using phone numbers in chat app doesn't protect you against someone locating you. When phone is turned on, even without SIM, your location is saved, in inches. Thanks to 5G. And some phone turns itself on automatically, lol. Using laptop (without any wifi card) -> Wifi ca…

Agreed, but people are going to people and will use phones, anyway. Might as well not include identifying information during registration.

Signal is a desktop app, as well. Even if you wanted to run it on Qubes in a Faraday cage, you'll need a phone number to register to use the app.

In the ideal situation, no one would be using Signal, phones or computers, the design of the internet is inherently identifying and non-anonymizing.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by heavyset_go »

somenameforme wrote: post #619
heavyset_go wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until that moment, the general sentiment about the government and the internet is that they are too incompetent to do anything about it, companies like Microsoft/Apple/Google/Snapchat are actually secure so lax data/opsec is okay, etc. Meanwhile, the whole time, communications and tech companies were working hand in hand with the government siphoning up any and all data they could to successfully implement their Life…

That was not the sentiment, at least not in my experience. There was a far more pervasive and effective argument - if somebody believed that the government is spying on you in everything and everywhere then they're simply crazy, a weirdo, a conspiracy theorist. Think about something like the X-Files and the portrayal of the Lone Gunmen [1] hacking group. Three borderline nutso, socially incompetent, and weird unemplo…

The sentiment you're speaking of was definitely there, my response is more about how people felt about the government and, say, cybercrime.

At least from what I recall, law enforcement were portrayed as bumbling idiots when it came to computers and anything internet-related.

Same thing with legislators and regulators, with the "series of tubes" meme capturing the sentiment pretty well.

When it came to spying, yeah you were (and still are to an extent) considered to be insane if you think the government was spying on you or anyone you know, let alone everyone.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by infinitezest »

whatsupdog wrote: post #970
infinitezest wrote: post #897

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Maybe that was also bad. And maybe the current admin is still more brazen, less accountable, more selfish and more vindictive. Why even bring this up? Should we not care about this because other people did bad stuff?

When you let the cat out of the box yourself, don't blame when it starts scratching the couch. Never in history was ever an American ex-president targeted and hounded like Trump was. Democratic party brought the 3rd world style politics of "go after your opponents when you come to power" to the USA.

> When you let the cat out of the box yourself...

I could say the same thing to you. Go back a few more years to his first term, to his campaign. He is absolutely the main architect of the chaos that has ensued. You don't get to start fights and then get mad when people fight back. The selective outrage you're demonstrating here is baffling.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by tantalor »

abhinai wrote: post #637
tantalor wrote: post #636

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Twin cities are 16th largest metro, between Tampa/St. Petersburg and Seattle/Tacoma.

Yeah it’s a slightly blurry line. What metric are you using? I’d say Seattle is way ahead of Minneapolis in terms of economic influence.

Population

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

mangodrunk wrote: post #950
rickydroll wrote: post #915

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Organized as in they have meetings, serve cookies, and coffee? Most likely not. These anti-ice groups seem to be extemporaneous meetups. Define obstruction. Everything reported, blowing whistles, encouraging businesses not provide service to ICE agents, and recording from a distance is not obstruction. It's a First Amendment right to keep government forces in check.

There are many anti ICE activists that are organized. ACLU and Indivisible are two such groups. There are many instances of people obstructing federal agents by anti ICE activists and protesters.

You claimed organized crimes; not simply organized resistance. What crimes are they organizing?

Resistance itself is not criminal, especially when many of the actions they are resisting are themselves illegal. In fact, it is our civic duty to resist illegal or immoral actions by the government.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

kreetx wrote: post #975
eutropia wrote: post #964

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ICE isn't doing police work (police are somewhat accountable to their local populace for keeping people safe), they're ostensibly (selectively) enforcing federal immigration regulation. But please for the love of god explain how "not following orders" is grounds for immediate extrajudicial execution? because your "their opinion seems to be ... that the person that got shot did nothing wrong" definitely seems to imply…

While I do agree that this was tragic sequence of events, then the whistle protesters, carrying a gun and then getting between an officer and the woman is what brought it to the current conclusion. Go protest in some square, don't protest at ICE carrying out its work. Should this event somehow disqualify ICE, you'll see the Trump opposers hugging every criminal in the country. "Full stop" (as if rhetoric devices ever…

Protesting ICE while they work is constitutionally protected free speech.

You are saying that people should give up their most important rights simply to avoid inconveniencing the government. It is the grossest form of bootlicking I've ever seen.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

whatsupdog wrote: post #971

A lot of comments that don't go along the liberal hivemind are being downvoted and flagged, even though they don't break hacker news rules. If this community can not hear opposing opinions, then let's just ban political and politically charged news from being shared and discussed here.

Ah, yes, that liberal hivemind saying that first amendment rights are a thing and that mild resistance is not grounds for summary execution. Classic liberal hivemind.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by sardines »

impossiblegoose wrote: post #710
epistasis wrote: post #658

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> Is stuff really as bad as it looks or are media somehow exaggerating things? I mean I saw the pretti videos and it certainly seems to corroborate what media is saying. But I'm curious to hear Americans view on matters? The US media is downplaying things because they are terrified of Trump, who now has either direct or indirect control of most of it. If you're talking about EU media, I can't assess, but I did see a…

Tremendous post. Is there anything people in other parts of the country can do to help in Minnesota?

Yes, there are many ways to help from out-of-state!

Call your senators and representatives to hold ICE accountable. It's fine to enforce the law but they cannot be breaking other laws doing it.

Boycott business that support ICE for as long as ICE is being so heavy-handed. Enterprise rents them cars, Hilton Hotels puts them up, Target & Home Depot allow use of their parking lots for staging and their bathrooms. Get rid of your Ring doorbell, which partners with Flock. Call the companies and tell them what you're doing.

Donate money to any one of these MN orgs: https://www.standwithminnesota.com/

Get prepared. There's no reason to think this won't come to you once they pull out of Minnesota. Meet your neighbors, especially those of color. Start a Signal chat with them. Read how to start a Rapid Response Network [1]

[1] https://docs.proton.me/doc?mode=open-url&token=J5A88MFHRR#hI...

And very sincerely: thank you.

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Post by eudamoniac »

eudamoniac wrote: post #952
0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #724

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Also consider that there are 340 million people in the US. With that sort of population size, you can construct whatever narrative you want out of daily video clips of 1-in-a-million events. >the type to post on HN. When's the last time you saw a Trump supporter on this site? The userbase here is considerably further left than a very left-wing state such as California. That will very much be reflected in what gets po…

I'm a Trump supporter, generally. I see a lot of comments at the bottom of threads by people who I assume also are. The reason you don't often hear this admission when you're in a forum with downvotes like this one is twofold. One, obviously, the person gets immediately downvoted, so those posts are harder to find. Two, if a person admits to it in a post, that often functions as a thought terminating trigger for ever…

I would like to point out the humor in that the above comment has been downvoted at least 3 times. Lol

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by AuthAuth »

whatsupdog wrote: post #892
glaugh wrote: post #596

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Do you mean just technically trivial? I agree with that. If you mean more broadly trivial, I see that quite differently. An administration that has repeatedly abused its power in order to intimidate and punish political opponents is opening an investigation into grassroots political opponents. That feels worth being concerned about.

> "An administration that has repeatedly abused its power in order to intimidate and punish political opponents" Are you referring to how a Democratic party AG's entire campaign was to "pursue Donald Trump". And then she found a victimless "crime", that every real estate developer is guilty of, in which nobody was harmed, and the banks were equally guilty, for which the statute of limitations has expired, to get her…

That is more proof that the democratic party isnt corrupt and do care about fair elections(in the eyes of the public). He SHOULD have been thrown in jail and he IS a criminal.
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