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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by xracy »

tlogan wrote: post #826
kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

I just want to clarify why this is not so straightforward. It really depends on how the term “illegal alien” is defined. Before BBB July 4, Medicare covered the following groups: - Refugees - Asylum seekers - Immigration parolees - TPS holders - DACA recipients Under the Trump administration, the following groups are now considered illegal aliens: - Asylum seekers with pending claims or those whose claims were denied…

OOC do you have any sources for what the current administration considers illegal aliens?

Genuinely curious if they've published this information.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by tmaly »

20after4 wrote: post #944
josephcsible wrote: post #940

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion. Isn't the point of this data so that they can uncover exactly that? It'd be silly to say you're not allowed to look for evidence of anything unless you already have evidence of it. Also, the qualifier "in any widespread fashion" is weasel words. It makes me think you already know it is happening, and the only remaining question is to what scale.

How exactly would non-citizens, who do not have social security numbers or other valid identifying documents, receive medicaid? It's difficult enough for qualified people to get it. It would seem fairly difficult to pass the registration process without having a valid SSN. Furthermore, if someone was able to fraudulently sign up - say by using a stolen identity, then wouldn't the data in the system look valid and the…

"who do not have social security numbers" how would one prove or disprove this assumption?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by complianceowl »

tomhow wrote: post #985
titzer wrote: post #976

Something seems to have gone wrong with the timestamps on comments on this thread. At present nearly all comments have been posted < 4 min ago. I know I'm slowing down as I get older, but I don't think the internet is jabbering that fast, is it?

Yes, sorry, that was a keyboard error on my part as I'm working very late at night to deal with a follow-up/duplicate thread about this topic that hit the front page. We'll restore all the correct timestamps in due course. I'm manually doing the top level ones now.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by fastball »

jayd16 wrote: post #399
fastball wrote: post #344

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How does that work? As a US citizen, no amount of "harassment" is going to stop me from voting.

Seeing as the harassment has escalated to murder of citizens, I'm not so sure how you can say that. Less sensationally, they'll just crank up ID requirements and wait times to suppress your vote.

Wait times happen at a local level, not federally.

I don't know how they could possibly crank up ID requirements that would get in my way: I have a passport and a REAL ID driver's license.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by contrarian1234 »

fragmede wrote: post #949
contrarian1234 wrote: post #926

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Are we supposed to structure out society so we're safer in the case that the Chinese invade and use all our institutions against us? There is a risk-benefit tradeoff to make. Crippling society and institutions in preparation for an a worst-case scenario future hypothetical is not sensible. To get things done you operate from the standpoint that the democratic government is responsive to the desires of the people. The…

I would have liked for there have to have been more limits before DOGE got their hands on the voting rolls.

I think the real problem is that the government is not structured in an accountable way and things like DOGE can happen. These things basically don't happen in other democracies. The Japanese don't all have assault rifles in their basement b/c they're waiting for the day the Diet is going to harvest their data to oppress them

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by philipallstar »

text0404 wrote: post #989
philipallstar wrote: post #970

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> much over a century ago, women were expected to marry and be wives with a handful of exceptions like religious service. They did not have many opportunities for education and there were limited opportunities for independent employment with entire professions off-limits This was the case for most men as well, except they sometimes had to go and die weeping and in pain in a foreign field rather than stay at home and…

... and we should improve those conditions for both men and women so that they can live fulfilling lives. Your whole argument is predicated on the "redpilled" idea that gender rights are zero-sum, and that's just not the case.

It's not at all. My point was that it wasn't women specifically not being allowed to be "whole people" - that is a false premise, as it implies that men were.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smsm42 »

nobody9999 wrote: post #939
JuniperMesos wrote: post #914

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> Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between legal residents and illegal immigrants, but we can not assume it by…

>If a state bureaucracy doesn't explicitly check for legal immigration status then yes the policymakers in that state are trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigration. When it comes to healthcare, many states don't care if you're a tourist or a resident or a one-eyed, one-eared, horned purple-people eater. They (because their constituents -- you know, the folks who pay for this -- believe people shou…

I've seen a lot of people living in the streets when I lived in California. From my (then) house I could walk at least to a half-dozen places where substantial amount people lived right in the streets. I've never seen people dying in the streets in any state though. Given that only 7 states (and DC) allow Medicaid for illegal immigrants, this must be happening an awful lot. Strangely, I never heard about such cases, let alone a massive number of them. But you evidently did.

I would like to ask you instead of the Word of Jesus - which is surely fascinating, but bears little relevance for the topic at hand - provide some authoritative data as to how many people actually died in the street in those 43 terrible states, for lack of Medicaid coverage, say in the last 5 years? Was it millions? Thousands? Hundreds? How does it compare with the record of California and those living-on-the-street people I am seeing there every time I visit? I think discussing actual data would be better than discussing Jesus.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nobody9999 »

smsm42 wrote: post #998
nobody9999 wrote: post #939

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>If a state bureaucracy doesn't explicitly check for legal immigration status then yes the policymakers in that state are trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigration. When it comes to healthcare, many states don't care if you're a tourist or a resident or a one-eyed, one-eared, horned purple-people eater. They (because their constituents -- you know, the folks who pay for this -- believe people shou…

I've seen a lot of people living in the streets when I lived in California. From my (then) house I could walk at least to a half-dozen places where substantial amount people lived right in the streets. I've never seen people dying in the streets in any state though. Given that only 7 states (and DC) allow Medicaid for illegal immigrants, this must be happening an awful lot. Strangely, I never heard about such cases,…

I'm glad you're trying to expand your horizons. Here's a link to get you started:

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=deaths+and+bankruptcies+fro...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by wutwutwat »

pardon_me wrote: post #835
wutwutwat wrote: post #653

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"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." - Eric Schmidt

Remember this when considering seeking medical help for an embarrassing symptom.

I wasn't sharing that because I think he's right. I was sharing it to show what kind of person we are talking about...
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