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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by wolrah »

jlarocco wrote: post #862
wolrah wrote: post #282

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> Some review of the Lightning I read said it has less than a 100 mile range towing a full load. Because of course towing long distances is the only reason you'd ever want a truck. Obviously we can start by acknowledging that the vast majority of F-150s (and other half-ton pickup trucks) sold in the US these days are purchased by people who maybe haul a load of mulch or dirt once a year and otherwise use them as dail…

But a lot of the people who buy trucks for image want the image of somebody who's going out towing, carrying a bunch of stuff, and doing "truck things". They don't fit the image if they drive an e-truck because e-trucks aren't great at those "truck things. At least that's my theory why the e-trucks aren't doing well, even if they should be. No doubt a used Lightning is a great deal if you only need to carry stuff onc…

> They don't fit the image if they drive an e-truck because e-trucks aren't great at those "truck things. At least that's my theory why the e-trucks aren't doing well, even if they should be.

A lifted dually with rubber band tires on giant wheels isn't good at truck things, and everyone who actually does truck things knows that, but a lot of the crowd that will complain about electric trucks has no problem with one of those.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by jahsome »

tyre wrote: post #452
doublesocket wrote: post #427

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Never understood why the yanks don't like vans? Pickups are much less popular here in the UK, many more people use vans. A crew cab van with removable seats is infinitely more flexible than a pickup, other than long stuff which you chuck on a roof rack.

Vans don't project manliness. Most people don't use pickup trucks for pickup truck things. They'd be fine with a station wagon, but they have self-confidence issues.

I paint my fingernails so I'm not exactly concerned with projecting masculine energy. I just don't like the roof over the cargo area. It feels limiting. Also my primary use case of hauling lawn debris would aggravate my asthma way too much.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

olyjohn wrote: post #618
scottyah wrote: post #347

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It's great, maybe stop looking it up and go drive one?

A Suburban without 4 wheel steering has a tighter turning radius. It's pathetic that something with 4 wheel steering can't outdo a Suburban. And why would I want to drive one? I have literally no reason to drive that waste of batteries.

You should want to drive one so you don't have such a bad world view. Where are you getting your data for the cybertruck turning radius?

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #952
scottyah wrote: post #339

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This isn't even remotely true though?

I don't know man maybe I hallucinated all the news coverage https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/teslas-cybertruc...

Your "news" is a clickbait article on a spam-riddled site that links to four user-generated posts on an unchecked forum. You traded them a few minutes of your time, they got ad $ and you got confirmation bias.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

kyralis wrote: post #470
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And a lot of the best automotive+ engineers in the world.

That's a challenging claim to justify when their output is the Cybertruck. Honestly, none of Tesla's lineup is currently impressive - it's mostly gimmicky with less than stellar build quality. I strongly considered a Model S years ago when they first came out, but the price just didn't seem justifiable. Now? The world has moved on, and Tesla... hasn't.

You give me absolutely nothing but hand waving, so I can't really take what you say seriously. What is "gimmicky" to you- 240v outlets in the bed? Adjustable ride height? the first steer-by-wire vehicle? 48V wiring? rear wheel steering? The ability for it to autonomously drive better than 70% of all drivers on the road? Being able to run your house on it for days in emergency situations?

If you were looking for a cheap car, why look at the model S? The 3 and Y were designed for that. It seems that you're not part of the world that's been moving on, the only updates you care about are ones that bring no real news.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

ActorNightly wrote: post #918
scottyah wrote: post #179

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You have one reason listed, which is going 80mph (which is illegal in most states). They also can't tow long distances easily, but are superior in nearly every other way.

Most of the places where you would realistically use a truck have highways that are at least 75 mph. And its not the 80 mph thats important, its the fact that the faster you try to get to the destination, the more the range drains, which conversely takes you longer to get to the destination if you consider charging time.

Pickup trucks are great for suburbia and suburban projects, and they do not have 75mph highways. Perhaps you are talking about long-haul 18 wheeler type trucks?

You also burn gasoline faster when going faster, since it all comes down to wind resistance. You don't really notice more or longer stops when going 80 vs 60, maybe an extra 3-5 min for every 4hrs of driving which just means you don't have to rush eating your meal or going to the bathroom. What you do notice is not having to pay nearly as much attention while FSD is running, and the smoothness of the ride.

I do own a cybertruck so I'm a bit biased, but I use the bed pretty much every weekend, don't live in a place with 75mph highways, and I've driven many gas cars before this- pickups, sedans, and SUVs. I'm not sure why you're trying to explain to me how my car works, or how it compares to other ones I've driven.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #382
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It’s crazy to me. If you hate automobiles, trucks still make the most sense- if you’re just carrying people and a grocery or two you should probably be on a bike or ebike.

That is quite a European take there. Most places in the US do not have safe pedestrian infrastructure mandating "share the road" policies with bicycles which puts you into direct contact with motor vehicle traffic, and suburban spread means you're probably not close enough to walk to your grocer.

Bikes and cars can easily coexist on streets, and if the street is too big/busy I bet there's a parallel side road that is much better. If you are too lazy to walk to your nearest grocer, ride a bike.

It is true that some sacrifices and brief periods of discomfort must be made if you care for the environment, this is nothing new and generally accepted.

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Post by ElijahLynn »

simondotau wrote: post #568
olyjohn wrote: post #238

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Its not amazing in the city. The turning radius on the cybertruck is atrocious. Go look it up and quit believing the marketing bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjIPEtegPt4&t=2780s

Thanks for posting that, I watched a couple minutes of it and it suggests that the cybertruck has a really good turning radius, and it was able to drive on a go-kart track.

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Post by nilsbunger »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #795
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Yes I think there's a real innovators' dilemma here for traditional automakers with dealer networks. Dealers make most of their money on servicing vehicles, not selling them. And EVs require almost no servicing.

That looks alien to me. Here, in europe, the usual thing it's go to your car workshop of trust. And they know where and how pick the parts and service your vehicle. Some car workshops could be "oficial" for a car maker, and it's where you should go when your car is new and under warranty period.

The dynamics in the US are different for a reason: Car dealerships are independently owned due to laws preventing car manufacturers from directly selling cars to consumers.

This means multiple dealers (of the same car brand) compete with each other to sell you a car, thus driving their margin down. They try to make it back by selling you add-on packages and financing at the time of sale, ongoing service relationships, and handling warranty/recall issues (paid by the corporate brand).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by nilsbunger »

tzs wrote: post #675
Hamuko wrote: post #253

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There's still brakes, suspensions, tires, etc. to sell to EV buyers. Especially when EVs are so heavy that they have more wear on many of these.

What percent of people go to the car dealer for tires?

We recently got a tire at the dealer. My wife got a flat while she was trying to get to work. The car comes with roadside assistance, and the "easy path" was to let them tow it to the dealer.

We could've done the work to find a private shop to change the tire and redirect the tow truck there, but it takes effort, my wife gets intimidated by car stuff, and she was busy with some work meetings (which she took at the roadside).

In the end it cost us an extra $100, but probably saved us $1000 of marriage counseling :) That's ROI !

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