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>The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Source?
Certainly. The UK routinely and repeatedly jails people for protected speech, including speech protected by international standards. [1] [2] [3] [1] https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-kingdom/freedom-net/... [2] "Internet freedom declined in the United Kingdom during the coverage period due to a reported increase in criminal charges for online speech" [3] "A separate report from The Telegraph found that 292 peop…
Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs. The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too. https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...
> The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media Not true… and those that were jailed were convicted for inciting racial hatred and most of them admitted the offence
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Part of democracy is that the people of that country get to criticize their own government. It is anti-democratic for a wealthy and powerful individual of a foreign country to undermine a democratically instituted governmental organization. Italians get to have a voice in the governance of Italy and criticize their own government, that's democracy. We just had our democracy destroyed by another billionaire, quite fra…
Mask is not the only threat by far. The chat control saga proves even major elected structures can pose major threats Even a foreign entity can criticize another local entity. That's part of democracy too. Just like warning you'll leave the country if things aren't changed
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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> The NUCLEAR threat regarding the 2026 Winter Olympics (Milano-Cortina) is the real leverage here. He’s bypassing the regulator and putting a gun to the government’s head regarding national prestige and infrastructure security. Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power, both in terms of being one of the few that can offer this service and they can make threats at this level.
How is revoking pro bono work you volunteered 'wild'? Should offering services lock you into indentured servitude?
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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> Kind of wild that a private company has that kind of power Also kind of wild that it’s a private US company pushing their current political views on another sovereign state. Cloudflare as a political tool of leverage is a level of dystopia we really should try not to unlock.
i think it’s quite normal and always have been normal for companies to leave countries when the regulative environment goes against them.
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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Governments just can't come to grips with how much money software engineers make. Paying a contractor $x million? Yeah no problem, projects are projects, they cost what they cost. Does that $x million pay for 5x fewer people than it would in construction or road repair? We don't know, we don't care, this is the best bid we got for the requirements, and in line with what similar IT projects cost us before. Paying a ju…
> Paying a junior employee $100k? "We can't do that, the agency director has worked here for 40 years, and he doesn't make that much." I can assure you that junior software engineers in Italy or anywhere else in the EU make nowhere near that amount of money. In fact, few of even the most senior software engineers make that amount of money anywhere in the EU (in Switzerland or the UK they might see such salaries, at t…
And, to support miki123211's point, the Danish government has had continuing problems hiring software engineers for the past decade, leading to a number of IT scandals.
0: https://studerende.ida.dk/english/about-to-graduate/salary/s... 1: https://ida.dk/om-ida/nyt-fra-ida/solide-loenstigninger-til-...
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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> EDIT: to be clear, CF argues that they need to block the DNS globally, and that's unreasonable. The Italian authority argues that they have the skills to do a local block and are just being uncooperative. Similar to the UK's attempt to try and get noncompliant sites like Imgur and 4chan to block themselves from serving content to UK locations, I think the responsibility for country-wide blocks lies with the country…
The difference is that Imgur/4chan have no presence in the UK but Cloudflare has servers and probably a sales office in Italy. Cloudflare does have to follow Italian law within Italy. Either Cloudflare can block pirate sites or ISPs will completely block Cloudflare (as seen in Spain). Which way do you prefer?
Locally, within Italy I can see the argument that CF can be compelled to adhere to blocking sites for any requests originating from, or being routed to Italy - so long as Cloudflare maintains any kind of presence there. That goes for any other country, too.
Realistically maintaining this kind of work puts a financial and engineering overhead on Cloudflare (or any CDN) for running operations in that country, and that incentivizes Cloudflare to push back on this request from any country. The logical response from CF is to refuse and threaten to remove all operations from the country if the country tries to force the issue, to prevent CF from getting pulled into the same requirements for multiple other countries, which is exactly what CF did a couple days ago.
I'll reiterate my previous stance - if a country wants to block part of the internet, that country needs to do it themselves and for the space within which they have authority to do so (their borders). At that point it's up to the citizens of the country to push back if they disagree, and if they don't want to be compared to China and their Great Firewall they shouldn't try and regulate the internet.
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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> he mentions Vance as a way to call for US administration help at a time when the US is entering an open economic conflict with Europe This is a great way of bombing its business in the EU. Just sayin' :)
This is not as much of a flex as you appear to think it is.
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
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I've had the pleasure of working for CEOs who don't resort to public threats (or all caps) to get their point across. When I chose who leads me or who I work with stability and consistency are key. This just sounds like a man who thinks he can flex his way out of a problem and that is just such a short sited way to solve problems. Not my kind of CEO.
Why shouldn't they resort to strongarming? Italy literally wants to blacklist IPs at whim for the entire planet. Cloudflare CEO is 100% in the right to strongarm them. Who do these people even think they are, to censor the planet's DNS?
Just like every other company. From italian isps to vodafone to google.
What makes cloudflare so special?
Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines
#1000Regardless of whether the law is absurd or not (I honestly have no idea, but we've seen some crazy stuff lately in the EU), its kinda precious that a CEO only complains about it when his company is fined. I'm certain it is also quite reassuring for any paying Cloudflare customer that the company strategy is driven by the CEO Twitter rants; That if by some reason doesn't want to play ball with local laws (as draconian…
> financing a company that thinks it is above the law I've never liked arguments like this, because laws are often complex, unreasonable, and unjust, and all of us (both individuals and companies) routinely use our best judgment to decide which laws to flout and which to follow, and when, where, and why to do so.
If it is as the rant describes, every other company operating in the italian market has also to accomodate this; where is the rant from the other CEOs? From the telecom providers? From the VPN endpoints?