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Re: Eat Real Food

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One thing I would add to this site is to avoid seed oils like the plague. PUFA is in almost everything that is processed, and it absolutely wrecks havoc on your metabolism.

There is no scientific evidence for this

There certainly is: https://www.researchwiki.org/read?id=2

Re: Eat Real Food

#992

Unfortunately there seems to be no good aligned definition of what (highly) processed food is. 1,2 Whole grain bread or infant formula can be “highly processed” despite very healthy. In the end someone else cooks for you and packages it. They can cook healthy or not or in between, add a lot of salt or little, .. as always it’s more complex. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01099-1 2 https://www.cambridge…

People who complain about “processed foods” generally have a basic misunderstanding of chemical/biochemical processes and energy gradients or activation energies. Ultimately, everything is highly processed or we’d be eating rocks. The magnificent manufacturing line in animal or even plant cells is one of the most processed things at the finest molecular level that we know!

You can argue the semantics all you want, but “highly processed foods”, despite the difficulty/ambiguity in defining them, tend to have both a higher calorie density and are proven to nudge people to consume more, vs. “whole foods” (i.e. minimally modified fruits, veggies, cooked whole meats, etc.). When you treat the “highly processed” label as a rule of thumb allowing for some ambiguity in the definition, and you compare people who eat processed vs. whole foods, you find that the whole foods group is overwhelmingly fitter.

Re: Eat Real Food

#993

Unfortunately there seems to be no good aligned definition of what (highly) processed food is. 1,2 Whole grain bread or infant formula can be “highly processed” despite very healthy. In the end someone else cooks for you and packages it. They can cook healthy or not or in between, add a lot of salt or little, .. as always it’s more complex. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-022-01099-1 2 https://www.cambridge…

besides being loud in the media and policy, does it matter? to keep this focused on hacker news. this is like asking the programming community to solve "some intractable social problem," and then sometimes you get an answer, "well, what we need is, a new kind of open source license." disputes over guidelines and the meaning of highly processed, outside the academic humanities context, is kind of pointless right? if y…

Not sure I do, but to try, this is calling for a culture of science, education and differentiation, which I thought this is. Against black and white simplifications that don’t enlighten anyone but foster extremes.

Not all JavaScript code is bad, nor is all AI-generated code bad (neither good).

We see this black and white simplification all over the place, no trade offs desired anymore. We pick a bad characteristic about a (new) habit product food or technology and that’s enough to render the whole thing inferior.

There is good tries with nutrition transparency in some EU countries, as an example for education around food.

if people can and want to understand it, they can make good choices.

Maybe the US isn’t ready or wishing for such level of education and freedom. Even some EU countries are not.

Re: Eat Real Food

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Calling butter or red meat "healthy" is so utterly wrong. Saturated fat is at best neutral, and probably bad for you. Putting it in the same league as extra virgin olive oil is an insult to anyone with intelligence, even lard would be less bad than that

And given that we know that red meat is probably carcinogen it's insane for anyone to recommend its consumption. You should be eating as little of it as possible and focus on fish, beans and poultry. Ironically there are basically no recommendations anywhere to eat more beans.

Is so blatantly clear to me that the USDA and RFK jr got bought by the meat and dairy industry that's not even funny

Re: Eat Real Food

#995
post #577

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There’s a restaurant in Las Vegas, the Heart Attack Grill, which sarcastically plays on this trope. > It has become internationally famous for embracing and promoting an unhealthy diet of incredibly large hamburgers. Customers are referred to as "patients," orders as "prescriptions," and the waitresses as "nurses." All those who weigh over 350 pounds are invited to unlimited free food provided they weigh themselves o…

A must visit, though I have no idea how anyone could possibly get past the single bypass...

If you can’t get past that burger, they celebrate when a real ambulance shows up to help haul you away!

Re: Eat Real Food

#999
post #372

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I'm a weightlifter and as part of my training, I eat pretty close to about a pound of meat a day during bulk, usually about 12-14oz. This is because I need to eat about 200g of protein a day. I supplement it with protein shakes. I find that to be a challenging amount of meat. It's a lot! And to find out that's average ??? Americans eat way too much meat. Cheese, too.

I guess it's a matter of perspective and what you're used to. Some indigenous North American peoples used to subsist largely on bison for at least part of the year and often consumed 5 pounds or more of meat and other animal products per day. Was that too much?

They also had an average lifespan of 40 years. Now obviously, high meat consumption isn't the cause of that, but we now know that eating large amounts of red meat leads to an overall reduced lifespan in societies where people make it to 70 on a regular basis.

> Was that too much

I challenge you to eat 5 pounds of animal products in a day, for three days.

Re: Eat Real Food

#1000
post #355

Wow thank god it's my fault im sick and i can make personal choices to stop chronic conditions! I was worried it might have something to do with material conditions i live in but also can not control, or worse that i might require medicine! Relatedly its a great thing that "real food" access isn't class-based.

Really strange comment. You're offended by the implication that what we eat may impact our health? Regarding the class comment, sure a access to some food is class based, but pretty much all westerners can afford basic "real food". I know because I've lived on minimum wage and could buy eggs, rice, beans, chicken thigh, etc.

I mean I guess I didn’t say it explicitly but they are saying “eat better” instead of taking medicine and doing it while medicine becomes increasingly less accessible by most Americans. So yeah. Also not offended at all it’s just patently stupid and an abdication of the responsibility of the government. The government regulates and facilitates giving out medicine and if what you’re saying is true it doesn’t need to dictate to people how to eat since it also refuses to subsidize most people’s meals.
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