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Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

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Prediction: the regime will not fall. This will destabilize the country further, not so much the regime itself. There will be a decrease in oil production, marginally boosting world prices. What's probably being taken out right now is the regime's ability to react in any meaningful way to the oil embargo. It will also allow Maduro to throw his hands in the air and blame the US for all of VZLA's ills going forward. Mo…

when you predict something you state a time line.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#992
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Can somebody please explain how was he able to do that without Congress approval?

It's been like this for a while. It has been assumed that Congress doesn't have that power anymore but the president does. Here is a letter that President Obama wrote on the subject that explains it a bit (but if you want to hear more about this check 99 Percent Invisible podcast on the latest constitution breakdown series).

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/0...

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#994
Maybe the whole attempt is to bully the current government into giving the Venezuelan/Cuban faction in the US government exactly what they want. They want an entry into the society, and to open it up, maybe among other things.

With this USA is essentially saying that "see I can just walk into your home and no one will stop me, so better do as I say".

I will be surprised if USA tries to land ground troops into that country. Running the country, I suspect, will be extremely ugly for USA. OTOH, if they can just coerce the existing government into giving them exactly what they want, then it would certainly be mission accomplished.

It's all a huge gamble, and will depend on how obstinate the Venezuelan setup is.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#995

It's so hard to talk about this from the perspective of a venezuelan. Venezuela is under a dictatorshipt that has violated human rights massively, in Caracas (the capital) there's a prison know as El Helicoide, that's the headquarterts of the SEBIN (Servicio Bolivariano de Inteligencia), they are the secret police and the have arrested opposition members, reporters, human rights activists, and even family members of…

You have to fix your problems yourself. I say this as a citizen of a nation in South-East Asia. Do not depend or cheer external actors like the U.S. to solve internal issues - they will only use and throw you away. The U.S. is also a nation whose political culture respects only strength - they hold absolute contempt for soft, weak/poor and divided nations. A home-grown dictator is better than a foreign one promising "democracy". It is one of the reasons that the U.S. regularly takes leadership out - they would like nations in their sphere to remain weak, poor and/or fully economically dependent.

You can look forward to U.S. oil companies doing free looting now. Sure, the "trickle down" effect will make some Venezuelan's prosperous but you have effectively given up the resources of your nation and chosen to become subservient slaves. And U.S. billionaires will become even richer.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#996

It's funny how many people already see this as a book that is opened and closed on the same day. That's not how these things work. This is like the first stone of an avalanche. It could stop here, or it could roll on for quite a while. It will take months or even years to know whether or not the outcome here was desirable or not and what the final tally is. Remember the 'Arab spring' and what came after.

The Arab spring was a mass uprising, this was the removal of one person - it's really not the same.

Think of it this way - Maduro could had died from choking on a turkey bone over Christmas - would there inevitability be a civil war?

What matters is whether there is a fight for political power as a result - and particularly what the generals think. ie any fight is much more likely to start from the top rather than the bottom.

My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the smoothness of the extraction mission strongly suggests serious inside info/cooperation. ie somebody did a deal with the US - involving giving up Maduro in exchange for removal of the sanctions ( particularly oil which the US has escalated with tanker seizures ) which was crippling the country.

So my prediction is an internal smooth transition of power, cooperation around oil, with neither the US nor the new leader being keen on quick elections as that will interfere with the execution of the deal.

All the Trump cares about is the public 'win' and the oil and minerals flowing. The Venezuelan leadership will want to end the US sanctions and get the countries economy working again - if this happens they will think election prospects will improve - can't see Trump caring that much about Venezuelan internal politics as long as he get's the win and a positive flow of oil revenue and strategic access to minerals.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#999

It’s interesting to see how Americans assume Venezuelans aren’t happy about this. People are so clueless. I’m in South America right now and everyone is happy for the Venezuelans. Especially the Venezuelans. It’s been 25 years of hell. They don’t really care at the moment if Trump did it for oil. You think Russia and China just wanted the recipe for Arepas? That’s the common saying. Venezuelans just wanted a chance t…

>It’s interesting to see how Americans assume Venezuelans aren’t happy about this. People are so clueless. I’m in South America right now and everyone is happy for the Venezuelans.

It doesn't matter at all. Venezuelans may be over the moon about this, but the fact remains that Trump broke international law and committed an act of war without the authorization of Congress. You don't see the problem with that? This is the slippery slope of authoritarianism. They start by doing illegal things that seem like they're good things, but which break down the rule of law. Once they've normalized this, they start doing it with less popular things.

Humans are so stupid with their ideas of "my team won so it's OK!". It's not ok. This is how the system begins to implode, and it's by design.

Re: Trump says Venezuela’s Maduro captured after strikes

#1000
This is going to make the US look less predictable to adversaries, and that's, on balance, perhaps not such a bad thing.

It will be interesting to observe how the aftermath unfolds. If the US succeeds in installing a gov't which gains some level of legitimacy, perhaps by stoking the economy, then this will be a significant win for the US. If not, it will be a strong "the US is the newish sick man" signal.

That said, it's one thing to pull this in Venezuela, another thing to annex Greenland.

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