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Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Post by jackvalentine »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #980
anacrolix wrote: post #964

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a cheque for some fuck up for $8. In this day and age, sending a cheque for a small amount like that is a dick move. You know heaps of people will not even bother. Many people have never seen a cheque these days.

My uncle received a cheque for $0.12 from the Australian Taxation Office in the 1980s. He framed it, and it’s still on his wall today.

I have a cheque from NAB for 1 cent because I somehow screwed up closing my Citibank account and had fractional interest that had to be paid to me.

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Post by sigseg1v »

sneak wrote: post #891
bigbluedots wrote: post #370

It is nice to hear someone who is so influential just come out and say it. At my workplace, the expectation is that everyone will use AI in their daily software dev work. It's a difficult position for those of us who feel that using AI is immoral due to the large scale theft of the labor of many of our fellow developers, not to mention the many huge data centers being built and their need for electricity, pushing up…

Copying isn’t theft, and it’s DEFINITELY not theft of labor. Then again, you already knew this because we’ve been pointing it out to the RIAA and MPAA and the copyright cartels for decades now. It is my personal opinion that attempts to reframe AI training as criminal are in bad faith, and come from the fact that AI haters have no legitimate basis of damages from which to have any say in the matter about AI training,…

It's much simpler than this.

I post some software on GitHub. You can use it in your software and tools and AI training set as well, as long as you follow my license. If you don't follow my license (let's say MIT, so you must provide a copy of the file called LICENSE.TXT with my name on it), you may not use it.

Is there any part of this that is unclear?

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Post by hijodelsol »

rubiksx wrote: post #869
hijodelsol wrote: post #783

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Sending an automated thank you note also shows disdain for the recipient's time due to the asymmetry of the interaction. The sender clearly sees the thank you note sending as a task not worthy of their time and thus hands it off to a machine, but expects the recipient to read it themselves. This inherently ranks the importance of their respective time and effort.

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Definitely not written by AI. Perhaps it just seems strange to you because English is not my native language so my use of it might not fully correspond to what you are used to.

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Post by strogonoff »

NeutralCrane wrote: post #984
strogonoff wrote: post #785

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The concept of intellectual property on its own (independently of its legal implementation details) is at most as evil as property ownership, and probably less so as unlike the latter it promotes innovation and creativity. Despite the apparent etymological contrast, “copyright” is neither antithetical to nor exclusive with “copyleft”: IP ownership, a degree of control over own creation’s future, is a precondition for…

Property ownership is ultimately based on scarcity. If I using a thing prevents others from using that thing, there is scarcity, and there should be laws protecting it. There is no scarcity with intellectual property. My ability to have or act on an idea is in no way affected by someone else having the same idea. The entire concept of ownership of an idea is dystopian and moronic. I also strongly disagree with the no…

In early societies authorship was implicitly recognized. If you invented something cool, all of the dozen people you know most likely knew you did it; me trying to pass it as my own would be silly since anyone would see through it and laugh me out of the cave.

It’s not unlike theft, murder, etc.—when societies grow, their ways of dealing with PvP harm (blood feud, honour culture, sacrifice, etc.) can’t scale sufficiently (or have other drawbacks), and that’s when there is a need to codify certain behaviours and punishments in law.

(I wouldn’t claim that respective legal code is perfect and implementation-wise it’s all good today—but to say “there was no law against X back when we lived in tribes and didn’t have writing, therefore we shouldn’t need that law now” seems a bit ridiculous, unless you propose that we drastically and fundamentally reconfigure human communities in a number of ways.)

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Post by aoeusnth1 »

nunez wrote: post #823
suralind wrote: post #727

I don’t really understand the hate he gets over this. If you want to thank someone for their contribution, do that yourself? Sending thank you from an ML model is anything but respectful. I can only imagine that if I got a message like that I’d be furious too. This reminds me a story from my mom’s work from years ago: the company she was working for announced salary increases to each worker individually. Some, like m…

It's just so effin' weird! And to set Claude as the From header despite it not coming from Anthropic. Very odd.

It did come from Claude, though, not Anthropic.

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Post by xp84 »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #995
nunez wrote: post #823

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It's just so effin' weird! And to set Claude as the From header despite it not coming from Anthropic. Very odd.

It did come from Claude, though, not Anthropic.

If I were Anthropic I would have some kind of TOS restriction saying that you can't use their trademark to represent what you use their API to enable. It's just inappropriate. Even if you are a full anti-AI activist, it seems clear that the blame for specific things 'Claude' does in response to a deliberate prompt should fall on the person(s) operating it, and as such they shouldn't be allowed to make it appear that this is what Anthropic designed Claude to do.

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Post by Viliam1234 »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #524
tntxtnt wrote: post #358

I get why Microsoflt loves AI so much - it basically devour and destroy open source software. Copyleft/copyright/any license is basically trash now. No one will ever want to open source their code ever again.

Maybe someone should vibe code the entire MS Office Suite and see how much they like that. Maybe add AD while they are at it. I'm for it if that frees European companies from the MS lock in.

There is Libre Office https://www.libreoffice.org/

Re: Rob Pike goes nuclear over GenAI

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Post by account42 »

nearbuy wrote: post #830
suralind wrote: post #727

I don’t really understand the hate he gets over this. If you want to thank someone for their contribution, do that yourself? Sending thank you from an ML model is anything but respectful. I can only imagine that if I got a message like that I’d be furious too. This reminds me a story from my mom’s work from years ago: the company she was working for announced salary increases to each worker individually. Some, like m…

No one intentionally wanted to thank Rob Pike. As an experiment, some people asked an AI agent to do "random acts of kindness". They didn't specifically know the AI would send emails as a result and have since updated its instructions to forbid it from emailing people. They probably should have been more careful about unleashing AI agents on the world, but I don't think they intended to spam anyone.

I'm sorry but if you run a program with the capability to send emails you are responsible for it. "It's AI magic we don't understand" is no excuse.
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