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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by AngryData »

acedTrex wrote: post #451
shadowgovt wrote: post #220

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Perhaps the fundamental issue isn't the apples; it's the barrel. If everything is a competition, then of course people will leverage personal advantage for personal gain. But why is everything a competition?

> But why is everything a competition? For all of human existence there has been competition for limited resources. Until all resource scarcity is eliminated competition will remain in the natural world.

90% of the world was once subsidence farmers and had very little to no competition.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by throaway1988111 »

dctoedt wrote: post #100

I'm mostly a law professor these days. When final-exam time rolls around (as in, this week), I raise my eyebrows when I'm sent the list of students who get 50% extra time. I wouldn't presume to judge the propriety of any given student's accommodation. But many of the accommodated students seem to have done just fine in class discussions during the semester. FTA: "Unnecessary accommodations are a two-front form of che…

Im a 4.0 GPA student with no history of ever asking for or needing extra time for tests.

I had an ADHD assessment after my mom was diagnosed (she is typical type, forgets everything), and they diagnosed me, and gave the following official recommendations:

"Patient must be provided with extra time for all tests & assignments as he cannot focus due to ADHD."

I never said I needed anything like this. In fact, I said the opposite. I would typically be one of the first to finish, because I had studied appropriately!

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by michaelcampbell »

yencabulator wrote: post #983
michaelcampbell wrote: post #892

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I think all societies do this; this is just being human. All human groups migrate to whatever metric or rewards are provided.

It's much, much, more common in low-trust corrupt societies. USA is one of those.

cite?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by scratchyone »

lisbbb wrote: post #463
scratchyone wrote: post #368

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FWIW, consider that some of these students may need the accommodation specifically because of the pressure of the final exam. Many mental health disabilities will become worse with stress. A low stress environment and a high stress final exam could trigger entirely different symptoms. For example, I have OCD (real, diagnosed, not the bs "omg im so ocddddd"). I have extra time accommodations because I have to spend ti…

Then they don't belong in the law field or wherever, simple as that. My son has OCD pretty bad, and I know there are roles he is unsuitable for. One of the things he does is confesses about every little thing that happens--he can't keep a secret or tell a lie. It's socially debilitating.

You do realize that not everybody has the same symptoms right? Many people with OCD may struggle with tests but can do just fine in the real world. Tests aren't at all representative of real jobs.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by scratchyone »

bottlepalm wrote: post #389
scratchyone wrote: post #381

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yeah there's totally a huge social benefit to being queer right now. definitely.

Are you being sarcastic because in kid social circles there 100% is. Play any games on Steam and/or Quest and it's very apparent.

Are you hanging out in kid social circles?? What gives you this impression??

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

swatcoder wrote: post #140
margalabargala wrote: post #103

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The word "cheating" is loaded with a lot of values and judgement that I think makes it inappropriate to use the way you did. There's a point where it's not immoral to leverage systems available to you to land yourself in a better situation. Avoiding increasingly-overcrowded housing situations is I think one of them. If Stanford's standards for these housing waivers are sufficiently broad that 38% of their students qu…

> There's a point where it's not immoral to leverage systems available to you to land yourself in a better situation. That sounds loaded with a lot of value judgment. I don't think it's inappropriate for you to suggest it, but I think you'll find that a lot of people who value equitability, collaboration, communalism, modesty, earnestness, or conservation of resources might not share that perspective with you. It tur…

> people just disagree about values and are going to weigh judgment on others based on what they believe

Uh yeah. Moral judgments are about personal beliefs

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

Ray20 wrote: post #913
swatcoder wrote: post #28

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That's exactly the dilemma. Offering accommodations to people with disabilities is good. So you do that. Then you recognize that not all disabilities that deserve accommodations are obvious so you establish some bureaucratic process that can certify people with these unobvious disabilities so they can receive the accommodations you meant for them to. But the people you delegate to issue those certificates are... well…

> Might the genuinely good system you put in place have been abused? The system's resistance to abuse is one of its important characteristics. So if the system have been abused on that scale, the system probably wasn't good in the first place.

In a healthy society systems that are less tolerant to abuse still function. And in an unhealthy society only the systems resilient to malicious actors work.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by eszed »

Hizonner wrote: post #345
eszed wrote: post #246

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Yep. That's exactly what I did when I taught at the university level. Mind you, I was single then, and had no family responsibilities, and the school was small enough that I could ask for the last test slot of the day and always easily get it. But, it's excellent for everyone. It's unfortunately not practical for every class to do when everyone's taking all of their finals in the same week. There will be inevitable s…

Get rid of academic terms, so that the finals don't all fall in the same week. Probably a hard sell. Be less obsessed with evaluation and grading. Which probably means people have to be less obsessed with having a credentialing and gatekeeping system while calling it an "education" system. Probably an even harder sell. Although since the next step is for the AI to eliminate the need for credentialed humans, maybe we…

That'd be great, particularly your second suggestion. If AI ushers in a utopian age of post-scarcity gay space communism, I'll happily spend the rest of my life in graduate school.

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Post by Hizonner »

eszed wrote: post #998
Hizonner wrote: post #345

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Get rid of academic terms, so that the finals don't all fall in the same week. Probably a hard sell. Be less obsessed with evaluation and grading. Which probably means people have to be less obsessed with having a credentialing and gatekeeping system while calling it an "education" system. Probably an even harder sell. Although since the next step is for the AI to eliminate the need for credentialed humans, maybe we…

That'd be great, particularly your second suggestion. If AI ushers in a utopian age of post-scarcity gay space communism, I'll happily spend the rest of my life in graduate school.

I'm more expecting a dystopian age of scarce-for-you closeted space fascism, but neither one is going to have any use for your work or care what degrees you have.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by bottlepalm »

scratchyone wrote: post #995
bottlepalm wrote: post #389

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Are you being sarcastic because in kid social circles there 100% is. Play any games on Steam and/or Quest and it's very apparent.

Are you hanging out in kid social circles?? What gives you this impression??

Unfortunately yea a lot of VR games on Quest are mostly kids, I don't talk much in them, but I hear their conversations.
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