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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by samat »

noname120 wrote: post #904
xz0r wrote: post #902

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I've seen every new OS update leading to M1 Air performance degrade, at this point I'm pretty convinced Apple is doing this intentionally. Edit: Same experience with iPhone X Edit2: I still remember the feeling when I got them initially - that Apple is on customer's side, but now I feel totally helpless and i'm being forced to upgrade

I haven’t noticed this to be honest: macOS 26 Tahoe is the first update that significantly hindered the performances of my MacBook Air M1. Even with the Electron _cornerMask fix + disabling auto heuristics at the OS level.

Same thing, thinking about reinstalling :(

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by seec »

fnord123 wrote: post #148
Hamuko wrote: post #26

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Not really. Back in the day you wouldn't buy a MacBook because it was powerful. Most likely it had a very shitty Intel CPU with not a lot of cores and with thermal challenges, and the reason you bought it was because macOS.

The intel laptops also grounded into the user. I still can't believe they didn't have a recall to sort that out.

Apple is extremely dumb with power management and power supply. That's because they pretended to innovate all the way back at the start and want to pretend, they still have the expertise.

But I have had 2 iMac power supply die one me, the grounding problem on a MBP and a major annoyance with power noise leaking from a Mac Mini (makes for some nasty audio output, hilarious when you consider they supposedly target creative who clearly need good audio output).

You always find people raving about Apple's engineering prowess but my experience is that it's mostly a smoke show, they make things look good, miniaturise/oversimplify beyond what is reasonable and you often end up with major hardware flaws that are just a pain to deal with.

They always managed to have good performance and a premium feeling package but I don't think their engineering tradeoffs are actually very good most of the time.

As far as I can tell, the new Mac Mini design still has grounding issues, and you will get humming issues, which is beyond stupid for a product of that caliber. At this point I don't care about having the power supply inside the dam box, just use a brick if you must to prevent that sort of problem. This is particularly infuriating since they made the iMac PSU external, which is beyond stupid for an AiO.

But common sense left Apple a long time ago and now they just chase specs benchmarks and fashionnable UIs above everything.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by gcr »

throwaway31131 wrote: post #617
gcr wrote: post #165

So how many hardware systems does Apple silicon have for doing matrix multiplies now? 1. CPU, via SIMD/NEON instructions (just dot products) 2. CPU, via AMX coprocessor (entire matrix multiplies, M1-M3) 3. CPU, via SME (M4) 4. GPU, via Metal (compute shaders + simdgroup-matrix + mps matrix kernels) 4. Neural Engine via CoreML (advisory) Apple also appears to be adding a “Neural Accelerator” to each core on the M5?

Doesn’t that make sense though as each manipulates a different layer in the memory hierarchy allowing the programmer to control the latency and throughput implications. I see it as a good thing.

Oh I’m not complaining, I appreciate having so many knobs to tweak performance

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Post by port11 »

kenjackson wrote: post #611
port11 wrote: post #572

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It's incredible what the hardware teams at Apple have been doing. I imagine they also feel let down by the software that's driving these beasts. It's as if they're 2 completely different companies.

The latest iPhone OS (iOS 26) is embarrassing. The number of glitches and amount of UI sloppiness is crazy for a company that historically prided itself on the details. It's the first major iOS update I've taken that just seems almost strictly worse than its predecessor.

We tend to dislike big UI changes. But… I picked up my sister's new iPhone running 26 and got a sudden “ach, Windows Vista” moment. Yuck.

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Post by thirdsun »

discomrobertul8 wrote: post #889
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

> Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. WatchOS 26 has rendered my Apple Watch almost useless. It's gone from lasting a whole day including 2 cycling 'workouts' for my commute and the occasional lunch time run (or gym session before work) to now being at 40% battery by the time I make my mid-morning coffee and dead before I get home. I don't use most of the 'smart' features anyway - I'm mostl…

Have you tried restarting your watch? I noticed heavily increased battery drain after the update too, until I restarted the watch and everything turned normal again.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by nonamenoslogan »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #973
discomrobertul8 wrote: post #889

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> Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. WatchOS 26 has rendered my Apple Watch almost useless. It's gone from lasting a whole day including 2 cycling 'workouts' for my commute and the occasional lunch time run (or gym session before work) to now being at 40% battery by the time I make my mid-morning coffee and dead before I get home. I don't use most of the 'smart' features anyway - I'm mostl…

If you want to try something cheap, try the Amazfit BIP 6 watch. It costs around 1/4 of Apple watch, has most but not all of the same sensors (can't do ECG). It has far too many configuration options for my taste, but it does mean you can make it look like Apple like with Apple watch like battery life or configure it to last well over 3 weeks on a single charge. TL;DR: software is kinda clunky, but the hardware works…

I'll echo this, I've been buying these for my wife since the original Bip, and the battery life alone is more than worth it. She wears hers nearly daily.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by nonamenoslogan »

noname120 wrote: post #904
xz0r wrote: post #902

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen every new OS update leading to M1 Air performance degrade, at this point I'm pretty convinced Apple is doing this intentionally. Edit: Same experience with iPhone X Edit2: I still remember the feeling when I got them initially - that Apple is on customer's side, but now I feel totally helpless and i'm being forced to upgrade

I haven’t noticed this to be honest: macOS 26 Tahoe is the first update that significantly hindered the performances of my MacBook Air M1. Even with the Electron _cornerMask fix + disabling auto heuristics at the OS level.

I haven't either, though I've purposely kept my M1 on Sonoma for now because the newer OSs have dorked up my Ham Radio software.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by pjmlp »

fragmede wrote: post #905
port11 wrote: post #572

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It's incredible what the hardware teams at Apple have been doing. I imagine they also feel let down by the software that's driving these beasts. It's as if they're 2 completely different companies.

In the case of Microsoft and Intel, they were. Vertical integration is Apples claim to fame, but apparently, it has its limits.

Not really, vertical integration was the way of the computing world, CP/M on 8 bit clones and MS-DOS on IBM PC clones were the exception.

Naturally Apple as the survivor from all that were not IBM-PC, appears to be the one with vertical integration approach.

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Post by attendant3446 »

mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to say that I agree with you. I also think that Apple's hardware is fantastic, but it's the software that's holding them back.
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