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Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by jodrellblank »

BarryMilo wrote: post #954
jodrellblank wrote: post #925

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> " because 1% of Excel users need pivot tables or something " It's crazy to me how often Open Source pushers have the vibe "I don't use computers, I don't know what anyone does with computers, but I'm still dismissive and superior". I almost made this comment earlier today in reply to [1] which was another "You have problems with Linux? I daily-drive Linux for years and I've never had any problems" comment and the i…

My god the amount of projection in your comment. It seems you've mistaken me for everyone who ever commented in favor of migrating off of Excel. I"m aware that there are things I'm unaware of. Perhaps I don't know how to use Excel, I'm "no true Excel user" if you will, and therefore my opinion is invalid. Like you I'm baffled not by the technical side of things but by our reaction to it. People say "it powers 10% of…

Your other comment related because it shows the amount of projection in my comment was just the right amount.

> "Is it arrogant to have preferences?"

No, it's arrogant to not know what people are doing but still tell people that you know better what tools would be good to do what they are doing.

> "My point is not that LO is better, it's that we should work to remove our dependency on closed-source software for universal office work"

If that is what you had said, I wouldn't have replied.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by gloosx »

efdee wrote: post #813
gloosx wrote: post #749

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I'm a Macbook user, but I often have screen sharing experiences with people using Windows laptops, god, it's painful watching them. Brand new, solid book with decent specs, only used for few months and everything is visibly very slow. Opening some documents and presentations while being on screen share takes minutes, file explorer lags, screen compositor lags. Notifications with weather, STOCKS info, murders and clic…

Sounds like an AVG problem, not a Windows problem.

I think letting certain software thrive which just blatantly disregards your own certification and validation processes is exactly Windows problem. Some developer(s) paid 600$ and emailed their passport to Microsoft affiliates to get rid of that "SmartScreen" warning, do they have to pay and email their passport copy to AVG as well so their application can be ran without uploading step and needing to wait few hours of "examination"?

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by efdee »

gloosx wrote: post #992
efdee wrote: post #813

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Sounds like an AVG problem, not a Windows problem.

I think letting certain software thrive which just blatantly disregards your own certification and validation processes is exactly Windows problem. Some developer(s) paid 600$ and emailed their passport to Microsoft affiliates to get rid of that "SmartScreen" warning, do they have to pay and email their passport copy to AVG as well so their application can be ran without uploading step and needing to wait few hours o…

What are you saying here, though? That Microsoft should have the monopoly on deciding what software is safe and what is not?

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by efdee »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #825
efdee wrote: post #813

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Sounds like an AVG problem, not a Windows problem.

The very normalization of antivirus on Windows is a Windows problem. For better or worse, Mac users simply don't think about AV.

Like you say: "for better or worse".

FWIW, I haven't ran antivirus software on Windows (other than the included Defender, but that's not something I think about) in literally decades.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by ubermonkey »

wkat4242 wrote: post #604
ubermonkey wrote: post #535

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We are a small software company. We use Office 365 and their hosted Exchange for email. I manage my mail in the native Mac Mail tool; my boss uses Outlook. For commercial exchanges (ie, dialog about sales with customers), we're almost always both on copy. SEVERAL TIMES A MONTH he asks me to find a mail for him, because Outlook search is letting him down, often on bone simple searches (e.g., for something like a speci…

Yeah it's because Mac Mail downloads every single email and indexes it locally. Outlook (especially the new one) is just electron-based webmail. So every search happens in the cloud and it doesn't have a full copy of all your emails. This would not be a problem for searching of course, if the cloud-based search worked properly. But yeah... About that. :X The "classic" outlook should do it better but it also doesn't i…

He's running full Outlook, not the shitty new one. And anyway this problem has existed for 10 years.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by mbs159 »

MisterTea wrote: post #697
afavour wrote: post #617

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I know this is such a stereotypical "get off my lawn" statement but we've lost the art of software engineering. It's all about stuffing as many features in as quickly as we can and pushing it out to as many people as possible. Performance is always secondary. Not that I'm that nostalgic for the old days, we would have been doing the exact same thing if we were able to get away with it. But performance restrictions me…

> I know this is such a stereotypical "get off my lawn" statement but we've lost the art of software engineering. Indeed. I am sure many of us here are burnt out on bloat. I am also sure many of us want to move to smaller stuff but cant simply because of industry momentum. BUT that doesn't mean the dream is dead, only that we must work towards those goals on our own time. I found Plan 9 and haven't looked back. I can…

> Cat(1) is just 36 lines of C.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it around 800 lines[1]?

1. https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/cat.c

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by gloosx »

efdee wrote: post #993
gloosx wrote: post #992

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think letting certain software thrive which just blatantly disregards your own certification and validation processes is exactly Windows problem. Some developer(s) paid 600$ and emailed their passport to Microsoft affiliates to get rid of that "SmartScreen" warning, do they have to pay and email their passport copy to AVG as well so their application can be ran without uploading step and needing to wait few hours o…

What are you saying here, though? That Microsoft should have the monopoly on deciding what software is safe and what is not?

Windows historically allowed a dire situation with security, so no-one really freaking knows what software is safe and what not. Even monopoly they have on deciding what software is safe and what is not (extended validation certification procedure) is not helping anyone, because anyone can circumvent it with photoshop and 10$

Are you saying Microsoft shouldn't care about making a secure system and they can just outsource the subject to a third company which will upload .exe to their server and tell user to wait few hours before it can be launched?

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by niutech »

mrandish wrote: post #50

Between Office's increasingly bloated size, slow booting and super annoying CoPilot icon right where I'm working (which still can't be turned off in OneNote) - I'm on the edge of dumping Office. I pretty much only use OneNote and a little OneDrive (3% of the included storage plan) to sync files between machines and I run Word and Powerpoint less than a dozen times a year combined. Even as a paying customer, all the O…

Check out ONLYOFFICE Desktop, it's open source and provides great compatibility with MS Office files.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by niutech »

esperent wrote: post #144
bArray wrote: post #110

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I use LibreOffice for 99% of documents completely fine, and generate my own documents via Pandoc. The setup has served me really well so far.

I do this too, however there is considerable formatting issues when you're working collaboratively on documents with other people who use MS Office.

Try ONLYOFFICE Desktop, it is open source and has superior compatibility with MS Office.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by niutech »

inversetelecine wrote: post #795
taurath wrote: post #228

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I can’t stand libreoffice - between tons of bugs (waiting for printers on startup is a default..), extremely janky UI from 20 years ago, poor performance, exceptionally slow load times, and bad formatting issues and incompatibilities.. it’s just an awful experience overall.

I've been using OnlyOffice lately. I'm not a hardcore office user so maybe someone else can comment on how it is compared to Libre/MS Office. https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/DesktopEditors

It has better compatibility with MS Office OOXML format.
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