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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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That's complicated, but not actually unexpected. The Constitution lays out the process and authority to check the President's power, and that process flows from Congress. SCOTUS essentially said "If Congress didn't even find a violation that moved them to invoke their maximum penalty of removal-from-office, why on Earth does anyone think we would impose the law to punish the President's official actions where Congres…

I get what you're arguing but isn't "Jail the President for doing Presidential stuff" a bit charitable? "Nope, don't see it" isn't so simple, I think a lot of people would argue that this follows from the rule of law set down in the constitution in the form of things like the supremacy clause and implied by our entire legal/political structure.

> isn't "Jail the President for doing Presidential stuff" a bit charitable?

One of our Presidents, against the will of Congress and in an era where the right to levy war on the part of Congress was far more closely tied to troop deployment (because we weren't yet in the era of Pax Americana with permanent overseas bases on every continent, much less the post-9/11 era of massive power delegation to the Executive), moved our Naval assets away from the Atlantic coast toward Europe and basically tried to hide it from Congress. It would have been extremely impeachable... But then we ended up in a World War soon after. A war we, conveniently, already had our Atlantic assets positioned to fight, over the previous desires of an isolationist American representative legislature.

That President never came under question of whether he should be jailed for putting Americans in harm's way when we were not involved in the European conflict (yet), and Congress had no intention of involving the country (yet). The things Trump did in office were far less risky to life and limb. I'm not implying they were correct or just things; I'm saying that when we talk about whether the other branches should be able to jail the President for malfeasance in-office, this is the realm of decisions and standards we're talking about.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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I can't tell if you're deliberately missing the point, or don't know what due process is, but whether or not he had questionable affiliations isn't even the central concern. The suspension of due process is. Any person on our soil is entitled to due process BEFORE getting black bagged and disappeared/deported. Heard of innocent til proven guilty? from your own source >However, the government will have to prove to the…

> black bagged and disappeared/deported This is just terrible , ridiculous hyperbole. Disagree with his methods if you wish (and I do, myself), but an orange Pinochet, Trump is absolutely not. Your framing is incredibly one-sided... "the fascists" (you're gonna have to define that word every time you use it since it's literally the most useless word in any rational discussion), "hundreds of years ago" (um, nope? See…

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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As an American born to immigrants, I love the vision of the founding fathers, but I don't understand why they are so revered by some. They were slave owners who, at the time, had some pretty radical ideas for how to run a country. Some ideas were great and stood the test of time, and some were terrible and required amendments. We can't solve today's problems by thinking like dudes from the 1700s.

At the same time, some ideas were great but scales of economy and population ruined them. e.g. The house of represenatives should probably number over 1000 today to properly work as structured in the founding papers. But we somewhat arbitrarily capped it at 435 100 years ago. now while that's way too many people per rep, most political scientists don't really suggest that we should have 1200 reps in the House. propos…

That's interesting, that's a good point though.

Fundamentally, patriotism is no different than other kinds of celebrity worship, but practically, more people are willing to do terrible things in the name of patriotism than they are for any A List celebrity. Can substitute patriotism with religion as well. Patriotism seems more akin to religion to me, now that I think of it. I don't know if that is good or bad.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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You're wrong. It's explicitly against the rules, as Kasey said. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Pretty sure he's following the rules and besides what business do you have imposing on this thread when you have nothing to contribute in terms of the conversation? To say biggest "private equities" in the world own large portions of each other is absolutely correct. It's nitpicking to resort to technicalities of what arm of Blackrock owns what arm of Vanguard, not at all the point and it only distracts from the main…

Thank you. I get a lot of this litigious attitude on Hacker News but the bad actors are either wrong or trying to instigate irrational arguments. Like someone will post something political, I’ll point out an inconsistency in their argument, so they accuse me of starting a flame war and downvote me into oblivion. There’s more opinion making, control of narrative, and group-think on this site these days. It’s weird.
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