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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by nunez »

827a wrote: post #955
nunez wrote: post #929

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Replacing a launcher can be pretty bad. This happened to people I know. Some innocent sounding app replaced their launcher and added a fake Gmail widget to their home screen. It prompted them to login and, well, you know the rest. This would never happen on iOS because you can't change the launcher.

Agreed. Its my opinion that you should be able to replace the launcher on Android devices, but the Play Store should refuse to distribute apps that do this.

I really like this.

People that know what they're doing can go nuts and sideload apks all day long, which is still more flexibility than you'll ever get with Apple.

People that barely know how to use their phone outside of a few key apps will never have to worry about this attack vector.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by invig »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

Summary: "Users get to decide if they trust Apple. Users shouldn't get to decide if they trust anyone else."

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by anticensor »

frollogaston wrote: post #500
snailmailman wrote: post #397

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I’m pretty sure this rule is only there to stop the hundreds of “flashlight” apps that used to exist. (Although, they appear to still exist) There isn’t tons of innovation or competition in “flashlight app” other than adding advertisements. There used to be a bunch of them that would only get popular out of necessity. The ones I’m seeing now in the App Store do seem to have non-default behaviors like “strobe light” a…

No, there's a separate rule against making the kind of app there are already too many of.

Is that even legal?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by seba_dos1 »

bfrog wrote: post #911
seba_dos1 wrote: post #22

Apple has been restricting iPhones from being awesome since 2007.

I guess this is why their market share grows and grows, because the product is terrible and the competition is amazing. Or maybe reality is the opposite. That android phones that are supported by their vendor for maybe a year or two, have terrible battery life, allow any and all spyware, and generally suck aren't really comparable to the iPhone which effectively does the exact opposite? Or do you love being the produ…

Well, that's why I don't use Android either.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by aiisjustanif »

lanyard-textile wrote: post #668
liquid_thyme wrote: post #309

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Yes, you could. It's indeed troubling to see this mindset on HN. We have an overflow of professional "explainers" these days, we need more doers and fighters.

Oh whatever :P Don’t be condescending about a mindset you don’t experience yourself. I ran debian as my daily driver for like half my life; now I’m on mac and never have to worry about my friggin wifi driver.

I have never had an issue with WiFi drivers as an Arch and EndeavourOS user for 6 years now. And for the last 3 years my Framework Laptop does just work as my daily driver.

I think it is unjust to share strong opinions about previous issues that Linux distributions had without recent evidence.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by SergeAx »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #268

I think people forget that Apple is not making devices for the Hackernews community. They are making devices for people that just want something that works pretty well and has reasonable security - even to the extent of protecting them from themselves. They have other things to do with their time than learn about security vulnerabilities and how to avoid them. They want to just click 'yes' on every popup and expect t…

> protecting [people] from themselves

I finally understand what exactly I dislike in Apple. It's an authoritarian company.

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by mbs159 »

crazygringo wrote: post #538
rednafi wrote: post #139

There's nothing new here. From AirDrop to AirPods, Apple's MO is to lock you into their ecosystem and be as belligerent as possible toward any non-Apple gizmo. Couple that with social and network effects, and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech.

> and you have a perfect formula for monopolizing a market without continuously improving the tech. ...but the Apple ecosystem has the best tech. M chips, AirPods Pro, Apple Watch, iPad, Pencil, I mean the tech is great . Apple isn't monopolizing anything. They're competing like hell and winning because their tech is best. The real question is why the Android and Microsoft ecosystems don't do better at improving thei…

"Best tech" in a general sense doesn't really mean anything, since it depends on use-cases

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Post by fsflover »

cowsandmilk wrote: post #881
kraf wrote: post #857

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It's been many years since I had my last driver issue. I find that impressive considering how many different platforms Linux has to run on. Have you noticed how bad the Docker experience is on Macs though, after how many years?

Not sure how that’s the fault of MacOS

Whose fault is it? Also, as opposite to the Linux wifi driver?

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Post by ajolly »

bigiain wrote: post #580
lynx97 wrote: post #430

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As a user, I am totally fine with Apple restricting access to iMessage. In fact, now that I read this, I want them to do this, thanks Apple.

Yep. Same. I do not want 3rd party hardware/software vendors to have unrestricted access to the messaging app on my phone that is the only option my bank and PayPal and a bunch of other critical services use for 2FA. Especially not when the software they want to run is JavaScript, with all it's well known npm dependancy nightmares, _and_ from a founder and team that openly admit iPhones are a second class citizen in…

I'm still using my pebble today, and never stopped. What bricking?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by Royce-CMR »

vessenes wrote: post #101

I guess I’ll take the contra here on messages integration — moving a message over BLE to untrusted hardware and worse accepting them back into iMessage is a massive, massive change in the security boundary and therefore security architecture and therefore security promises that apple makes on iMessage. I do not believe average smartwatch users understand what they’d be doing if they got this. I do not believe vendors…

I want to say thank you for writing this. 100% same opinion. I've stuck with Apple - despite their downsides - specifically for their zeal in areas like this.

My phone works, I'm glad it blocks others from integrating because I need it to always just work. That's why I still have an iPhone over all the often paper superior alternatives.

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