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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by russli1993 »

nilsbunger wrote: post #728
joshfee wrote: post #584

I think the easiest answer to follow for "why is this not prevented by free speech protection" is "the fact that petitioners “cannot avoid or mitigate” the effects of the Act by altering their speech." (page 10 of this ruling, but is a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Broadcasting_System,_In... )

This is a limitation on foreign control of TikTok, not a limitation on speech. TikTok can stay in the us market if it eliminates the foreign control

There is limitation of foreign control of all foreign companies in all countries. USA companies can stay in the world markets if it sells itself to owners of that country. All USA companies, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Tesla, Boeing, Qualcomn, Intel, all of them, can be Indian, Germany, France, UK, Poland, Brazilian, Mexican, Canadian, Kenyan, Egyptian companies.

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Post by EasyMark »

russli1993 wrote: post #989

All countries in the world, USA just showed it is perfectly fine to steal a foreign companies' asset. Let's do that to all USA companies, Apple, Amazon, Nvidia, Tesla, Boeing, Qualcomn, Intel, all of them. U know how rich you will be if you just got a piece of them? U know you could end homelessness, poverty, balance trade, stabilize your currency, elevate tax revenues, get free education and health care for your cit…

I don't get this take. China is constantly stealing US IP. The US simply wanted to cut out the foreign influence, while allowing free speech of the users. That's a simple plan and makes a lot of sense. China doesn't allow any of the big US platforms to influence their people for a similar reason, and it's valid. What you pitch is a very optimistic Communist outlook, which has never panned out anywhere in the world where the experiment was tried.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by EasyMark »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #904
joshfee wrote: post #584

I think the easiest answer to follow for "why is this not prevented by free speech protection" is "the fact that petitioners “cannot avoid or mitigate” the effects of the Act by altering their speech." (page 10 of this ruling, but is a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Broadcasting_System,_In... )

It's amazing to me how many people are derailed by the free speech argument. This is about who controls the network, not the content on the network. There is a law that only U.S. citizens can own TV stations. That's why Murdoch became a US citizen (allowing him to buy Fox). This is in a similar vein.

right you really have to be not paying attention or be living in an alternative facts world. For instance look on X, there are literally thousands of paid for foreign propaganda bots trying to inject hatred and division in the USA and they have free reign and the government is not trying to stop them after Musk told them "no". Soon it starts happening to facebook, except there is no "paid" bluecheck account, the result will be the same. TikTok is a clear and present attempt by a centralized foreign advesary to do the same thing, but they will be treated differently because it's the enemy from without and not owned by an American company.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by [deleted] »

coliveira wrote: post #828
stevenAthompson wrote: post #726

The United States is currently in the middle of a cyber cold-war with China. They hacked all of our major telco's and many of America's regulatory organizations including the treasury department. Specifically they used the telco hacks to gather geolocation data in order to pinpoint Americans and to spy on phone calls by abusing our legally mandated wiretap capabilities. Yet people are arguing that we should allow the…

The interesting thing is that, using these tactics, the supreme court has made the legal case for every other country to ban US owned social networks! My opinion is that the US government has made another stupid move.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by senordevnyc »

jasonlotito wrote: post #981
toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

I'll try to directly relate this to something you are familiar with. > Can you tell me why it will sting for you? Imagine Hacker News without the comments. > The only thing I get sent from TikTok are dances and silly memes That's like saying Hacker News is just old links about useless stuff from other parts of the internet.

Hacker News without the comments sounds pretty lame

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by npvrite »

Crazy how this Gestapo like gov managed to force uninstall Kaspersky. I paid money and they actually did that? That actually just shows me that that antivirus was too strong against the NSA.

Anyhow I'm a Linux user and a VPN user and a Tor user and an I2P user and a Freenet user.

AND I LOVE LEARNING ABOUT DISTRIBUTED SYSTEMS IN RUST.

This government is becoming too totalitarian and should be made an example of. The internet was made to be impossible to take down and so should our thoughts and ideas. Distribute everything from now on.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by oliyoung »

ok123456 wrote: post #986
toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

All the other content recommendation systems force you into a ghetto and are highly auto-regressive. They only show you content like they already showed you, so you will never be exposed to new things. This hampers discovery, and you end up with only a few winner-take-all accounts with mass appeal and mass distribution (e.g., "Mr. Beast") who are broadly not interesting or specialized. TikTok is more stochastic and i…

Think you nailed TikTok's magic sauce, that algorithm finely balances the ghettoization of most traditional social networks and the "you might like this" randomness that feels like it's two-steps of interest away from your usual feed. Any regular user will see that pattern of 10-15 things that fit a pattern, and then a couple of very clear pieces of tracer content that expands and reinforces your own FYP.

It shows an understanding and adoption of risk that most western social networks don't have, while they're too invested in supporting and reinforcing the status quo, TikTok has always felt a little more willing to find the edges of/expand your interests.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by Sammi »

ok123456 wrote: post #986
toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

All the other content recommendation systems force you into a ghetto and are highly auto-regressive. They only show you content like they already showed you, so you will never be exposed to new things. This hampers discovery, and you end up with only a few winner-take-all accounts with mass appeal and mass distribution (e.g., "Mr. Beast") who are broadly not interesting or specialized. TikTok is more stochastic and i…

Each and every time I open youtube I think "there surely must be other stuff on here", but yt has me so doggedly pigeonholed they won't let me ever see anything outside of what I've watches in the last two days. The algorithm is so ridiculously over fitted.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by Friedduck »

I don’t know if it’s widely known but now that we have TikTok back it’s irrevocably altered. Content amd actions are being policed for anti-right wing sentiment and people are being TOS’d or prohibited from that action.

Examples that have been posted: warnings or prohibitions from posting content. Limits placed on sharing content (no bulk-sharing and a hard stop on sharing).

We’ve lost one of the only venues that wasn’t under control of an American oligarch, and it’s now clear what we’ve traded to retain access to TikTok.

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