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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

> officially be labelled as genocidal By whom, legions of anti-American people on the internet?

by the International Court of Justice

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Hamas was offered a ceasefire under exactly the same terms in May, and refused it. Since then: * Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas political wing, was killed in Tehran * Yahyah Sinwar, the leader of the Al-Qassam Brigades, was killed in Gaza * Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Lebanese Hezbollah, was killed in Beirut * Hashem Safieddine, Nasrallah's successor, was killed a week later * Large swathes of Hezbollah'…

It's the opposite actually. This is why zionist media and their people are upset about their dead during these past months. Hamas offered a deal from the very beginning to get back Palestinian hostages, but the zionists refused. Now, the zionists have been forced to accept and it's clear the amount of upset within their government.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

The entirety of Hamas leadership is gone, Hamas will most likely not going to have control in Gaza (still being debated which mechanism will govern, this is part of the deal), the crossing to Egypt will be handled by foreign countries which will prevent weapon smuggling. And in the broader spectrum, hizballah is not more, Assad is no more, all of Iran’s proxies can no longer support Hamas’ ambitions which basically m…

They seem quite popular and the population is behind them from what we're seeing in the news. Their leaders wanted and sought Martyrdom.

What happened is that the image of Israel has been shattered in the globe.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Of any of Israel's wars in recent history none has decimated their regional enemies as much as this. Every way you cut it they are in a much more secure position militarily. Iran (aka Lebanon/Syria) losing so badly is more important than Hamas surviving because that was the cludgle that threatened them from punishing Gaza too harshly (for ex: America pushed Israel very hard not to provoke Lebanon after Oct 7 and we s…

Israel is weaker politically and internationally than it has ever been, dramatically so. It can only have military superiority as long as western nations are supplying it with weapons and political cover.

Very well said, it's amazing how many people don't see this.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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I guess you didn’t notice when Hamas sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe out Hamas" Israeli youth.

I don't think this is a symmetrical situation. Life in Israel is quite comfortable. Young people have hopes and dreams beyond sacrificing themselves in an eternal war. Palestinians in Gaza have an extremely bleak outlook on the future and effectively no hope that anything meaningful will change in their lifetime, and they feel collectively humiliated by decades of occupation. Sacrificing "everything" is a lot easier…

Yet, over a million israelis left, and their media complains about it. And yet, we see the pride of the Palestinian people in them facing one of the most brutal regimes in history, they stand tall and strong.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Realistically, West Bank will be gone (totally settled, all Palestinians removed) in 15 years. Gaza will further be ghettoized and, pessimistically, will be basically gone in 50 years or so.

That's not realistic at all. Israel has no apparent plans to settle the major Palestinian population centers in the West Bank like Nablus, Ramallah etc. and evict Palestinians from there. Indeed, life will probably continue getting worse for West Bank Palestinians under the Israeli apartheid regime, but there's no reason to believe they'll be literally exterminated.

Haven't you seen and heard from the zionist figures about how they are now claiming that Lebanon and parts of Saudi Arabia are theirs?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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You've got your history mixed up. It was the Christians who persecuted Jews throughout history, culminating in the holocaust by, guess who, Christians. Jews thrived under Muslim rule during the middle ages.

That's ancient history. The reality today is widespread anti-Semitism among Muslims and it's backed by Mohammed. Up till the holocaust, basically everyone hated the Jews. After that, Christians changed their mind and Muslims doubled down. The Palestinians collaborated with Hitler because he promised to help them get rid of their Jews too.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

April 2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Al-Aqsa_clashes October 6th, 2023 Statement by UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process Tor Wennesland on Attack by Israeli Settlers in Huwwara “I condemn today’s attack by Israeli settlers against Palestinians and their property in the town of Huwara in occupied West Bank,” said UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, Tor Wennesland, i…

This is an excellent example of how Israelis feel the UN attacks us.

The October 6th statement condemning the Israelis destroying property in Huwara comes a month after an Israeli father and son were murdered in Huwara, and hours after another gunman in Huwara fired at Israeli civilians. The UN said nothing about the two murders or the continued gunfire at civilians. But property damage is something that they find important enough to comment on?!?

And to be absolutely clear, the attack by Israeli settlers was condemned by almost every single Israeli citizen, group, and media. Whereas Hamas, the PA, and the Islamic Jihad praised the two murders, I remember that only because they didn't claim the murderer as one of their own (which they usually do).

And to clear up one last detail, the Israeli settler attack in Huwara did damage property and there is a disputed incident in which an Arab attacking the Israelis (who may or may not have been those attacking) was killed - it's not clear if by Israeli civilian attackers or the military. The property damage was mostly (but not only) a car wrecking yard that was burned. See the photographs of the damaged vehicles, note that they are stacked on top of each other:

https://www.skynewsarabia.com/middle-east/1605599-%D8%A7%D9%...

That is an Arab media source, that I found by searching for Huwara in Arabic, because I don't want to bias this answer with a link to an Israeli source (I'm sure there's bias in here despite my attempts to present dry facts).

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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>This is exactly the same argument that Russia has been using to annex territories such as Crimea The rhetoric may be superficially similar, but facts on the ground aren't. The Russian state is not under an existential threat in the same way that Israel would be with Hezbollah in the north, and a similar entity in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel is a tiny nation with a tiny population. Russian and Israel's security is…

> Imagine a world, where post-disengagement there were no attacks from Gaza ... Imagine a world where pre-disengagement there's no radicals on either side. Imagine a world where Israel works with people displaced in 1948-1967, and utilizing its overwhelming economic advantage finds acceptable solutions to defuse the problems, instead of supporting more land grabs. The big gestures (like withdrawing from Gaza) are of…

We tried that. Got a bunch of rockets shot at us.

Because the Palestian cause is not about the welfare of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian cause is about establishing an Arab state to displaced the Jewish state.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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The former solves the problem but isn't really on the table. The later doesn't settle the question. Both sides would have to come up with a mutually agreeable solution and that isn't on the table.

Why assume the solution has to be agreed upon by the two parties? Peace can be imposed by the adults in the room.

What settlement would be imposed and who would impose it.
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