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Re: Nobody cares

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Post by mikeen »

tqi wrote: post #425

Its ironic, because this dude doesn't seem to care enough to even the slightest bit of research to understand why any of these problems he highlights are the way they are, and lazily attributes everything to OTHER people not caring. LEDs last longer, are more energy efficient, and also reduce light pollution because they are more directional[1]. Took me 30 seconds to google. There are enormous design standards for de…

Hawaii Big Island does care about light pollution - for the sake of astronomical observatories. They use yellow low pressure sodium light. Yellow is dispersed less by air. The energy efficiency of low pressure sodium bulbs is also high, comparable or higher than most LEDs.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by etherealG »

navane wrote: post #794
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #535

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the answer. It's not just government bureaucracy, large corporations are intentionally built to diffuse responsibility in order to allow the corporation to do things any single person would find abhorrent. This means that if you see something you want to fix, you most likely can't, because nobody is really fully responsible for that thing or can directly do anything about it. So you just hit your head against…

An organisation arizes around people. The organisation that arises with the traits you describe, one that allows organizational behavior that non of the members would individually allow, but also behavior that has a competitive advantage towards other organizations that lack this behavior, will thrive. They are a cancer that grow around us instead of within is.

I totally agree, but also wonder how to fight against this cancer. It seems to me like it’s a natural state of groups of people to devolve into this kind of group as the group grows in size. Are we simply doomed to failure?

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by variadix »

Most of this sounds like the symptoms of an individualist society. If people only take into consideration their own incentives, why would they care about the experience of anyone else? In my opinion this world view is a result of a society that is only held together by the economic interests of individuals.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by Willish42 »

For all of the naysayers in the comments, I think the author has hit on a palpable societal trend, at least in the US.

My leading theory is that the pandemic supercharged a lot of folks' individualist tendencies and/or nihilism, and we're seeing the decline in real time. To claim that the author is simply missing the incentives, bureaucracy, or other structural mechanisms behind enshittification, is missing the point, and they even allude to these towards the bottom of TFA!

Poking holes in the examples is similarly missing the point, but I know we love correcting people on the internet. Cunningham's law and all that...

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by spydr »

As much as I would love to be a Leslie Knope, by the time I’ve allotted all my caring to the things in life that keep me employed , fed , housed, and ad hoc family requests, I don’t have the capacity to care about much more. I really wish I did ,but because I have a limited “care bucket” , most of it is going to a bunch of insignificant BS. What the author noticed I notice a lot too , but I think that is because I am someone who actually tries to engineer better solutions to problems. I’ve noticed a “good enough” attitude in almost all aspects of my life and it’s frustrating.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by valval »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #535
DharmaPolice wrote: post #77

As someone who works for a local government bureaucracy - not caring is a coping mechanism because if you let every sub-optimal thing bother you then you'd just burn out. Very few jobs are structured in a way that those directly involved can determine how things are done so there is no real value in caring about how long a process takes. Where people have some agency you might be surprised how much people do care eve…

This is the answer. It's not just government bureaucracy, large corporations are intentionally built to diffuse responsibility in order to allow the corporation to do things any single person would find abhorrent. This means that if you see something you want to fix, you most likely can't, because nobody is really fully responsible for that thing or can directly do anything about it. So you just hit your head against…

None of the corporations I’ve been part of have been doing “abhorrent” things. You’re projecting your socialist ideology.

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Post by bobbylox »

Weird timing to be praising Elon Musk's propensity to care deeply (for future internet readers, he recently gave a nazi salute during a Donald Trump rally).

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by bjornsing »

Sloowms wrote: post #981
bjornsing wrote: post #795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, I care a lot when I make a mistake. To me some kind of “punishment” wouldn’t make a dent. I already imagine I do get “punished” for my mistakes, in the form of reputation and missed opportunities down the line (even if that may not be strictly true). But if you don’t care and you expect zero consequences, then yes: “punishment” would make a dent. And to be clear, the kind of “punishment” I think is need…

A publicly accessible score would mean that being a doctor means giving up privacy. I'm not sure how it works in other countries but here there is a medical board that will hear cases and you can lose your license. I would guess a similar system exists in most places in Europe. Being brought before the board is basically like fighting a court case. I don't imagine most professions have this hanging over them combined…

I’m a founder with a failed startup behind me. It’s not like I can hide that.

If I make a mistake filing my company’s taxes or similar and it’s caught by the authorities, that will be part of the public record.

For me it’s a bit hard to understand that I should be subjected to immensely much more public scrutiny than a doctor. Why? I thought they had so much responsibility, not me.

At least here in Sweden the problem with the medical board is that they are doctors and will only revoke a license for truly egregious violations of ethical standards / law. They also look at one case at a time, so a doctor can have tens of cases representing a staggering level of unprofessionalism in total, but still keep their license.

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Post by Lanzaa »

parpfish wrote: post #438
least wrote: post #390

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A lot of physicians have terrible bedside manner and that is going to be one of the biggest criteria a non-physician is going to use to judge how much they care. And I don't think that's unreasonable, either. It's necessary for a physician to communicate effectively with their patient. Trust is a requirement to work effectively together. If you can't establish that, then you've failed. Encounters with doctors shouldn…

in situations like that, i like to think about Berkson's paradox [0]. In the overall population, bedside manner and medical aptitude are likely uncorrelated. But the individuals that fall into the quadrant of bad bedside manner AND low medical aptitude will be filtered out of the profession. That means that in the remaining population, you have an externally-induced negative correlation between bedside manner and med…

I think this application of Berkson's paradox is misleading. A physician can be expected to have a high medical aptitude because of training, not filtering. Medical degrees are not withheld from people with low medical aptitude and given to people with high medical aptitude, people are trained then filtered.

> So if you find a doctor with bad bedside manner, they're likely to have better medical aptitude otherwise they would've been filtered out.

I propose the opposite, a doctor with bad bedside manner likely has lower medical aptitude. I believe there is training for doctors to improve their bedside manner. Then "trainability" may be a latent factor which correlates the quality of a doctor's bedside manner and medical aptitude.

Re: Nobody cares

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Post by alpb »

james_marks wrote: post #211
liontwist wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why doesn’t Japan have this problem?

I asked myself the same question when I saw exactly 1 homeless person in all of Tokyo. There has been a global trend to decommission psychiatric hospitals. Japan didn’t follow suit, and today has 10x the beds per capita compared to the US. This is balanced by the fact that it’s much harder to commit someone against their will in the US. https://www.borgenmagazine.com/japans-homeless-population/#:... . https://en.m.wi…

FWIW there are definitely homeless people in Tokyo. Under a lot of overpasses in the affluent Shinjiku area, you'll find many homeless people living long-term. I was there as recent as last year and I wouldn't say it's nonexistent. :) Definitely an order of magnitude less than any major US city, however.

https://www.huckmag.com/article/yusuke-nagata-photographer-d...

https://metropolisjapan.com/tokyos-homeless/

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