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Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by adonese »

some_random wrote: post #244
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

I'm not at all convinced that's the case, unless it comes out that the targeting was extremely broad (like if Israel was just putting bombs in every pager going into Lebanon rather than targeting a specific shipment going to Hezbollah) I don't think there's really any new risk for other countries.

As if Israil ever cared about civil vs combatants.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by cbeach »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #891
achow wrote: post #835

Israel's Mossad spy agency planted a small amount (3 gm) of explosives inside 5,000 pagers made by Gold Apollo (a Taiwanese company). "The Mossad injected a board inside of the device that has explosive material that receives a code." 3,000 of the pagers exploded when a coded message was sent to them. Gold Apollo founder Hsu Ching-Kuang said the pagers used in the explosion were made by a company in Europe that had t…

Where is the line between war and terrorism ? This attack is quite indiscriminate. There are already videos circulating of random people being collateral damage. Israel is losing the support of people more and more, and all that due to the crusade of Netanyahu to stay in power and to not be imprisoned for his former crimes. Despicable. So much human suffering and for what ?

Indiscriminate?

I'd say the pager bombing was as /surgical/ as one could possibly be.

A very sophisticated and targeted attack, putting tiny amounts of explosives in devices used by terrorist-linked individuals (ONLY Hezbollah were using the pagers because of their paranoia about Israeli monitoring of cellphones).

An example of an /indiscriminate/ attack is Hezbollah's firing of unguided rockets into Israel's civilian areas. In July, for example, a Hezbollah rocket killed 12 children playing football in the Golan Heights. THAT is indiscriminate killing.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by LincolnedList »

hollerith wrote: post #989
kart23 wrote: post #320

someone in the US government is probably freaking out about all these iphones and macbooks made in china right now.

Actually, I trust Apple's hardware security enough that I think it is probably impossible for anyone in China (even though they have physical access to the devices) to alter an iPhone or Macbook so that its own electronics can be used to trigger any explosive the attacker might install in the device, so in addition to an explosive, the attacker would need to install his own radio receiver. And the attacker probably w…

An Iphone should weigh X grams. I think you should be able to detect tampering by weighing it.

I don't whats the margin of error/variance that passes quality control.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by talldayo »

hollerith wrote: post #989
kart23 wrote: post #320

someone in the US government is probably freaking out about all these iphones and macbooks made in china right now.

Actually, I trust Apple's hardware security enough that I think it is probably impossible for anyone in China (even though they have physical access to the devices) to alter an iPhone or Macbook so that its own electronics can be used to trigger any explosive the attacker might install in the device, so in addition to an explosive, the attacker would need to install his own radio receiver. And the attacker probably w…

> it is probably impossible for anyone in China (even though they have physical access to the devices) to alter an iPhone or Macbook so that its own electronics can be used to trigger any explosive the attacker might install in the device

It would be trivial for a Mossad-level adversary to get around this. The pager explosives were disguised inside the battery, not around it. If you replaced the iPhone's 4500mAh battery with a 3500mAh one containing RDX and a 3G radio, you'd have to be mega-paranoid before you noticed the difference.

This is exactly the sort of hubris modern intelligence agencies rely on in order to exploit your misplaced trust. Apple's hardware security, much like their software security, is mostly predicated on marketing and not the transparent or accountable defense of your device.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #711

Honestly, at this point, I see absolutely zero difference, from a moral perspective, between the Israeli government and their enemies. Both are as bad as each other and have been implicated in many war crimes and human rights abuses, however Israel has more firepower and can inflict much more damage (E.g. demolish an entire apartment block, killing hundreds of innocent people from the air). The last thing any country…

Long term solution here is a two state solution and implementing the protocols Isreal agreed to ~10 years ago. Unfortunately successive Israeli governments have completely ignored it and the current one has declared they wont be abiding by what has been agreed to.

If these things didn't happen, there could have been lasting peace by now. But I expect to see more carnage from both sides for the next 5-10 years at least, until moderate voices on both sides take over and some new agreement can be not only reached, but actually implemented.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by EasyMark »

einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

I don’t think they were thinking long term. Most of this, I believe, has been Netanyahu keeping his coalition together longer to stay out of court and potentially prison.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by doomleika »

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #746
einszwei wrote: post #196

From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…

A 10 year old girl died too. They took no precautions to limit damage bystanders even assuming every person with one was a BadGuy™ which makes it terrorism and reprehensible.

Hezbollah has been firing rockets to civilian area a day after Oct 7 attack with intent to kill civilians to this day.

But a collateral from targeted attack people lose their mind. Much moral. Very righteous.

Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon

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Post by cykros »

Gotta love the passive voice they keep using. Can't be bothered to say that the pagers didn't just blow up themselves, but were actively armed and detonated in a large scale international terrorist attack by a regime actively engaged in a genocide whose leadership is wanted by both major international courts. Way to go Reuters, meeting expectations exactly.
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