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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by nullc »

mjt91 wrote: post #841
shafyy wrote: post #830

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I don't know, Kim Dotcom's Wikipedia page reads like the one of sociopath criminal that masquerades as a fighter of the people against "the man". But the dude has done some real illegal shit, beyond "just" illegal file sharing. Some examples, but go read his Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Dotcom > Schmitz was arrested in March 1994 for selling stolen phone numbers and held in custody for a month. H…

>In 2001, Schmitz bought €375,000 worth of shares of the nearly bankrupt company Letsbuyit.com and subsequently announced his intention to invest €50 million in the company.The announcement caused the share value of Letsbuyit.com to jump,resulting in a €1.5 million profit for Schmitz. This is just _dumb money_. Also I dont see how this is different to many crypto marketeers today.

He's been doing the same stuff inside the cryptocurrency space in recent years, FWIW.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by pas »

liamwire wrote: post #814
rustcleaner wrote: post #797

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To add: you know with the stable-diffusion function, there are ranges of vectors whereby technically just conjuring them is 15 years federal and possessing them is 5 each. That is 20-25% of a lifetime in one, 7.5% in the other! You know how nuts that sounds to me as a mathematician?!

It’s not nuts when you stop being intentionally obtuse and speak plainly: yes, child abuse material can be represented by a variety of mathematical means, but it’s abhorrent nature makes it morally correct for those laws to exist.

the abhorrence is not in the vectors, not in the pixels' inherent nature.

the problem with CP is ... sigh ...the violations, the harm, the unconsentability, the trafficking, the exploitation, the "gateway drug" problem (which might or might not be the correct model of this psychopathology), and the other negative externalities.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by snickerbockers »

refurb wrote: post #980
snickerbockers wrote: post #968

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I'm convinced that online discourse is overrun with LLMs shilling for various corporations and governments based on how many sycophants and bootlickers suddenly appeared on every social media platform after chatGPT went public.

Or, stay with me here, you hold a viewpoint that most people don't hold? Nothing wrong with that, and you should share your viewpoints freely. But I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of Americans agree with the protection of intellectual property, and acknowledge that sharing copywritten material is piracy, even if they do it themselves. Blaming AI seems like using it as a balm for your cognitive dissona…

My dude, there were already troll farms where actual people were paid to mass-produce social media posts pushing their employers' agendas before LLMs became viable. Do you really think they aren't going to take advantage of a new technology that lets them increase productivity and decrease costs?

And this isn't even something that's in contention, both of America's major political parties have accused the other of doing it.

> But I think it's pretty clear that the vast majority of Americans agree with the protection of intellectual property, and acknowledge that sharing copywritten material is piracy, even if they do it themselves.

Okay sure man, I guess we'll just take your opinion as representing "the vast majority of Americans" and go carry on from there.

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Post by majani »

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

If someone spends just one day on a video production set at any level, they will never pirate media again.

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Post by riehwvfbk »

stalfosknight wrote: post #929
riehwvfbk wrote: post #906

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Every dictator always claims they are irreplaceable.

What does this have to do with what I said?

Americans saying the US must play world police is the exact same principle.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

preaching5271 wrote: post #24

I appreciate Kim Dotcom for running MegaUpload and later Mega, in a time when the internet was younger and wilder. Also for his pirate spirit and "stick it to the man" attitude. But everything has a limit, specifically his resistance against the law, even if he hid it behind virtues. I think it's clear for everybody that one cannot get away with this kind of stuff, once governments get involved. Isn't it wiser to sto…

Yes but he also let his true colours show through when it came to his treatment of New Zealand, as a safe haven to run from the law rather than a home. He wanted to stick his nose into politics and start twisting things using his wealth there too, to the point that many Kiwis couldn't give a shit about what happens to him.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by fennecfoxy »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #872
oceanplexian wrote: post #732

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> Isn't it wiser to stop at some point, and find other stuff to do, even if all your nerves say otherwise? The problem is that government doesn’t have a line, that line is defined by the resistance it faces. Today it might be people sharing MP3s, tomorrow they will come after you for hosting a parody of mickey mouse. 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the ca…

> 10 years from now they’ll be busting down doors for sharing illegal memes (Seems to already be the case in the UK). UK law does not prohibit memes. It prohibits incitement to riot, as does US law. It prohibits incitement to murder, as does US law. In fact, these acts are illegal in almost every democracy in the World, even the most progressive and liberal ones, because they are reasonable statutes to extend common…

"They're just sharing memes, bro"

These people know what they're doing. All the crowds at the riot are the same kind of person. Yes, it's scary that the government has such power, especially when the government is usually so socially and technologically inept, and usually panders to the hateful people rather than prosecute them. I think the situation was that an online post was having a direct influence on the real world; there were people actively carrying out the requests.

Definitely something to keep an eye on, though. Then again Youtube comments sections are still full of homophobic comments, often including suggestions to imprison or kill people like me; would the people leaving those comments feel so brave when unmasked? Why don't they put their faces on what they say?

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Post by dostick »

TomWhitwell wrote: post #848
rustcleaner wrote: post #797

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To add: you know with the stable-diffusion function, there are ranges of vectors whereby technically just conjuring them is 15 years federal and possessing them is 5 each. That is 20-25% of a lifetime in one, 7.5% in the other! You know how nuts that sounds to me as a mathematician?!

Same thing happens in chemistry: some compounds are legal, some aren't. If you come up with a clever way to synthesise the illegal thing, it's still illegal, or will be made illegal eventually.

If illegal chemical compounds required tears of children to produce them, and someone came up with a clever way to synthesise those tears?

It depends what is considered unlawful, obtaining the tears and causing the harm, or is it enjoyment of chemical compound?

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Post by hylaride »

ruthmarx wrote: post #780
hylaride wrote: post #529

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> There's no evidence that piracy causes any type of harm to these multi-trillion dollar American entertainment conglomerates. I think there is business "harm" to piracy, but it's (mostly) vastly overstated. If I illegally download a song/movie I wouldn't have otherwise bought, did anybody lose out? There was a reason Napster was popular in colleges, because many of those people were cash poor. Music industry revenue…

> I think there is business "harm" to piracy, but it's (mostly) vastly overstated. If I illegally download a song/movie I wouldn't have otherwise bought, did anybody lose out? More than two decades of studies show there is no harm to these companies and that pirates spend the most on content. Piracy is flat out a net good for humanity and society. No convincing counter-arguments can be made. The only example where ha…

Oh, I 100% agree that IP laws are too strong and last too long, which allows media companies to charge too much and stifle competition.

It actually also hurts the content creators themselves. The music industry spent too much time fighting "internet distributed" music and the only alternatives they pieced together were too restrictive to the way people actually consumed music. "Want to listen on more than one device? Pay multiple times!" was their attempt back in the day.

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