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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

hot_gril wrote: post #930
hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #617

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Santa Clara-San Jose area is relatively still damn expensive. (Ask me how I know.) Anywhere with an RTO mandate is a hard pass. If they want to treat their employees like children and waste my time and money on pointless commuting to feel in-control, then count me out.

Yeah, this has been tested every which way by now, the entire point of in-person work is to monitor employees. My manager told me outright that the only reason I can stay remote is, unlike most of the team, I didn't seem to "disappear" during 2020.

There's a unfortunate conflation of completing useful work with appearing to be present. The appearance of presence is the new 37 pieces of flair.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

not_alexb wrote: post #761
hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #615

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While SF is a nice place to visit, but the sheer numbers of unreasonable, lemming-like people who will spend and do anything to cling to live there as some sort of Promised Land™ make it a hellish place to try to live a sustainable life for almost everyone who isn't already a multimillionaire. Keeping a car parked in SF to as far south as San Mateo on the street is a recipe for catalytic converter theft. Visit the de…

California is massive though, and I would argue there is nothing in the rest of California that resembles the Bay even a little bit. Redding is nothing like the Bay; Joshua Tree is nothing like the Bay; Orange County is nothing like the Bay; Big Bear is nothing like the Bay. None of those regions are anything like the other, too. Hell, the difference inside 10 miles of Los Angeles is enormous. Compare Venice Beach to…

Absolutely. There is variety in CA. Unfortunately, there aren't many safe and economical places to live and too many rich people gentrifying everything that was good. LA is a s-hole requires driving in absurd and crazy traffic because it's purposely spread out and its public transportation is terrible.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by sershe »

watwut wrote: post #984
sershe wrote: post #982

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It's nice to unpack the assumptions behind this (and gp) comments. You know, honestly, why I won't work for twitter in 2024? Or Tesla, or SpaceX. Because I don't respect myself enough as an engineer. Even if we assume I had the skill (which, for Twitter, I probably do; for the other two, unlikely), I don't care enough about developing technology to devote my life to it, I want to check out after a regular work day an…

Meh. Being unable to check out does not make one superior engineer. Persistent long hours are predictor of a lot of bugs and correlated with chaotic management. They are not actually correlated with some kind of greatness.

That sounds like a cope. I have worked with many engineers who delivered as high, or higher, quality and impact features at higher volume by working longer, because they cared more about technology and/or the product. And I've also seen the same person (myself included!) with drastically different output based mostly on time put in. The simplest case is people who have kids and now want to spend more time with them; for some people, like me, it's an interplay of hobbies and how interesting the project itself is. The productivity decreases, based mostly on time spent. Can they respect themselves more as engineers after that?

It even goes beyond the job, e.g. does one read research papers or code at home? That would usually make one a better engineer, but it's not great for work life balance.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by piuantiderp »

metadat wrote: post #958
piuantiderp wrote: post #940

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Sweetie, it's not that hard, google considered them before . P.S. Late stage capitalism === Early stage communism

> Late stage capitalism === Early stage communism How so? Will you please indulge me you explain this a little? Genuinely curious.

I mean, even by Marx's own theory. There will be no communism without capitalism fully unfolding and playing out. How will we know when the difference between one stage and the next? Unless we are talking revolution but that's not what most modern communists have in mind

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by [deleted] »

wnolens wrote: post #758
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> Can a single, childless tech startup-type person live comfortably walking car-free in contemporary SF, long-term? If so, how much does that cost, and in what neighborhoods? I used this when doing analysis. It's pretty good. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp From a pure cost, POV you burn most of your money on rent and food. When we had visitors, I had to plan out my budget to cover meals for ever…

> You need to be on high alert all the time. Otherwise is it's a wonderful place That must do a number on your nervous system long term. I live in NYC where I'm on high alert in specific areas at specific times that amount to maybe 30% of my time outside home and office. Otherwise I'm earbuds in enjoying something, or staring into the middle distance processing something on my mind. Both feel essential to my mental h…

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Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by mattpallissard »

hparadiz wrote: post #693
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In fact I know a retired guy who moved to Maui, and then moved back. The principal reason was the saying they have, "If you have a pain, get on a plane." You might get served in Honolulu. Quite often you're flying to the mainland, though. That said, living right in the city isn't necessary at all. The 'burbs have almost every facility you could want.

I lived in Maui for a year and it was always in the back of my mind that my link to civilization was basically one road. And my apartment was just north of Lahaina. That said I watched my dad die of cancer and let's just say he would have been better off chillin' on a beach or a balcony staring out into the ocean. The doctors couldn't really do anything other than misdiagnose him and then put him on meds way too late…

Agreed. My family lives on an island, though not in HI. We've had to do the medivac on one occasion. Yeah it was a bit unnerving and a major pain in the ass but we're still here a few years later.

I'd much rather optimize for the happy days than the shitty ones.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by hot_gril »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #991
hot_gril wrote: post #930

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Yeah, this has been tested every which way by now, the entire point of in-person work is to monitor employees. My manager told me outright that the only reason I can stay remote is, unlike most of the team, I didn't seem to "disappear" during 2020.

There's a unfortunate conflation of completing useful work with appearing to be present. The appearance of presence is the new 37 pieces of flair.

The other new 37 pieces of flair is creating a lot of Java files with large loc and many layers of object inheritance.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by spiderfarmer »

tomcam wrote: post #605
spiderfarmer wrote: post #531

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Exactly this. I grew up on a farm, was a student in the city, started a family in the countryside and I want to retire in a city, as long as it’s close to my children.

Did you… did you, ah, raise spiders on the family farm?

My first ever online project was creating a spider (bot) so that has been my username ever since.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by mempko »

gcau wrote: post #832
mempko wrote: post #820

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IQ is a bullshit measure.

What do you think is a better measure of intelligence?

Is there a universal measure of intelligence for AI? Why not? Why should there be one for people?
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