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Panic at the Job Market
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#992It really sucks right now, but recent grads and juniors are suffering the most right now, to my understanding. There's an over-production of CS grads, as the industry looked very lucrative, so a lot of people decided to go software engineering route. It's hard to make a case for start ups to bet on inexperienced people. For mature companies, why pay for 2 juniors, when you can get a senior for 1.5 price, who might do…
Any advice for juniors in this market? I'm seriously considering saying "YOLO" and going solo. Sounds like a stupid risky idea but I've always kinda wanted to do this anyway and the job hunt is driving me insane. Selling myself to humans almost sounds easier than trying to get my resume through a dozen AI filters with 10000 other applicants
Starting your own business has always been and will always be risky, but W2 jobs aren't as safe as they once were.
How about starting a "lifestyle" business that doesn't need to grow but is sustainable, and that lets you solve a real need for real people while providing stable income?
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#993I don't know. I have been trying to hire an experienced C++ developer for 6+ months and the market seems to be dry. And we don't play stupid question games when interviewing. Candidates are asked to review and find bugs in 2 pages of really bad C++ code. And to walk us through how they would solve a more high level production problem. I get plenty of CVs from Python or Java developers who thinks that knowing Python o…
Why don't you hire the Python or Java developers and have them learn on the job?
Because it takes years to become good at C++. Python and Java are relatively simple languages to learn.
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#995Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why don't you hire the Python or Java developers and have them learn on the job?
Because it takes years to become good at C++. Python and Java are relatively simple languages to learn.
So no hope for any one in Python, Java or a beginner to ever get a C++ job through you?
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#996Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…
Having experience from both the side of applying for jobs and running (some) job interviews I have to say that the delusions some candidates have shown have really surprised me. When I read comments online about application processes I wonder what our most delusional candidates might say about our extremely fair, one hour max interview process.. What I mean by delusional is that many candidates seem to not put in the…
I agree with all of this except:
> This is also why to me it is kinda a red flag if a candidate has no questions, because usually they should have if they wonder if they are the right person for the job and if the job is the right one for them. Especially since that is an interview-cliché already.
…which seems like a non sequitur to me. I only apply if I think I'm capable of the role. If research ahead of the interview is positive, and how the interview process is handled seems good, I may not have any questions. Although, I admit I sometimes thought of some later, which I emailed if important.
But possibly where I interview worst is in refusing to exaggerating or puff myself up. I've come to wonder if some of the roles I didn't get were because there weren't any lies (such as "extreme self confidence") for them reduce to a guesstimate of reality.
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#997Earlier quoted context omitted.
At the risk of minimizing your issue, are you sure you’re paying enough? Mid-level engineers cost ~130-140k (in Houston at least). A few weeks ago I was talking to a hiring manager who found me on LinkedIn and was saying he had a hard time finding anyone. Turns out he was trying to pay 50-90k for a mid/senior developer who had machine learning and robotics experience. I didn’t take the interview
The contradictions in this thread are incredible. If the job market is that bad and you need the money then a job that pays anything is good enough. Are these people just going to sit there until they starve because they're too proud to take a job that pays less than their last one?!
I mean it just varies from person to person and region to region. It doesn't change the fact that someone offering a wage well below market will never find anyone who's suitable as a mid level engineer, no matter the market. On the flip side, someone (like the author) who's waiting for a high paying executive position may struggle to find a position, even if it were a particularly strong job market.
I'd also argue you shouldn't jump on the first job you see. I was once offered 60k for a job in Austin, and if I had moved there to take such low pay it could have ruined my career. You should be thoughtful and reasonable about the roles you take
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#998> everybody agrees on three things: > - the tech job requirements are completely broken > - the tech job interview process is completely broken > - yet, every company follows the same hiring process and posts the same job requirements The pain. The pain I feel.
The thing is, only the engineers think that tech job requirements are completely broken, because the money is still flowing through the industry. The only signal that leadership and HR would take that something might be wrong is if money stopped flowing through the industry.
It's not clear that there is any correlation between engineering processes and revenue at the major tech firms of the day
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#999You should start by treating a job search like a job. Get up at 8 and work 8 hours every day of the week. Lengthy interviews are great as you wont have to struggle figuring out what useful task to spend the hours on. You can also share your schedule in the interviews and disclose other interview processes in progress. They might find talking about interviewing more interesting than your interview. Working with them s…
not gonna work in current market. current tech job market is dying out. tech market in many countries outside of USA is beyond extreme right now. you will be beating out a dead horse and yourself too with it. instead, take this time to re-focus, maybe change direction.
I think soon someone will have to glue the llms onto everything. Everyone should be quitte confused about what is out there and how it can be used.
I also suspect that full rewrites with ai assistance will get easy enough.
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#1000Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Most jobs are now hoops after hoops, not taking into consideration your particular profile or the contributions you can make. This is really key. I have applied for jobs before, and then get questions like: "what's your experience with C++ or advanced graph algorithms?". Only that, none of that shows up in my profile or resume. But they act surprised and completely shrug off how a decade of software and other relev…
I was approached through a recruiter for a job with a 100k-150k pay range, but I didn't get to interview because I had "too much experience" and they wanted someone with 2-5 years experience in the 120-130k range. I had experience with everything on the job description, even the nice-to-haves section. Make it make sense.
Late to this thread, but on the face of it I'd assume they didn't want to pay more than that range for a few years, if at all. Sometimes when they say "too much experience", what they really mean is that they want a senior developer or platform architect on a junior's salary.