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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by jjfoooo4 »

bredren wrote: post #706
Nition wrote: post #655

Aside from the search and Siri improvements, I'm really not sure about the usefulness of all the generative stuff Apple is suggesting we might use here. If you spend an hour drawing a picture for someone for their birthday and send it to them, a great deal of the value to them is not in the quality of the picture but in the fact that you went to the effort, and that it's something unique only you could produce for th…

I've got a fairly sophisticated and detailed story world I've been building up with my kid, it always starts the same way and there are known characters. We've been building this up for some time, this tiny universe is the most common thing for me to respond to "will you tell me a story?" (something that is requested sometimes several times a day) since it is so deeply ingrained in both our heads. Yesterday, while dr…

Do you think as much creativity and effort would have gone into the story if you had access to AI from the start?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by amne »

runeb wrote: post #316
amne wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far the only reasonable place I can think of where I could find myself actually using voice to control anything is on the toilet. that's it

Walking, cycling, running, driving, relaxing on the couch

This is a large numbers problem that is not yet visible. You can't have everybody walking and talking. There would be too much noise (think crickets, cicadas, toads, etc.)

I'm not going into cycling/running and talking .. that's just not how things work when you need to breathe.

Driving and talking to a phone to then have it recite back to you 10 minutes of details you can just glance at but would be dangerous to?

If I'm relaxing on a couch .. i'm using a device. And please don't come back with "play me a chill song" as a fancy use case.

What I'm trying to say is that voice is not it and the only other kind of interaction I'm looking forward to see evolve is neuralink-style. In the sense that it needs to be wireless / non-invasive for mass adoption. That's it.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by PaulHoule »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

It is really “the app” that has to die in order for AI to show its potential in user interfaces. If you want to, say, order from a restaurant, your personal agent should order it for you, any attempt for the restaurant to “own” the consumer by putting an app in his face has to end.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by l1tany11 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #993
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

It is really “the app” that has to die in order for AI to show its potential in user interfaces. If you want to, say, order from a restaurant, your personal agent should order it for you, any attempt for the restaurant to “own” the consumer by putting an app in his face has to end.

I don’t think I am understanding what you mean, but isn’t one of the potential use cases of AI to say: “Siri order me the thing I always get from _restaurant_ and it navigates the app for you in the background? Potentially this can be done without API integration; the AI synthetically operates the app. Maybe it “watches” how you used the app before (which options you choose, which you dismiss, etc) to learn your preferences and execute the order with minimal interaction with the user. This way annoying, bad, UI can be avoided. AI “solves” UI in this way?

Are you saying this type of scenario kills the app, or are you saying the app needs to die, replaced by an API that AIs can interact with, thus homogenizing the user experience, and avoiding the bad parts of Apps?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by PaulHoule »

l1tany11 wrote: post #994
PaulHoule wrote: post #993

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is really “the app” that has to die in order for AI to show its potential in user interfaces. If you want to, say, order from a restaurant, your personal agent should order it for you, any attempt for the restaurant to “own” the consumer by putting an app in his face has to end.

I don’t think I am understanding what you mean, but isn’t one of the potential use cases of AI to say: “Siri order me the thing I always get from _restaurant_ and it navigates the app for you in the background? Potentially this can be done without API integration; the AI synthetically operates the app. Maybe it “watches” how you used the app before (which options you choose, which you dismiss, etc) to learn your pref…

Preferably the latter but if the agent can use a crappy app for you (maybe using accessibility APIs in some cases) that’s better than the bad experience that “download our app” usually is.

Better yet the system should know about all the commercial options available to you and be a partner in getting food you like, taking advantage of discounts, all of that.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by amne »

dylan604 wrote: post #125
nkotov wrote: post #83

While I think it's cool and I appreciate Apple crafting better stories on why this is helpful, I still think for the everyday person, they won't really care if it's AI or not.

But Apple's integration means you can use it and not care if it is AI or not. It'll just become part of using iOS (let's face it, that's were the majority of Apple's users will be). From creating a new "genmoji" to any of the other examples of allowing people to do this without know WTF huggingface or the other equally ridiculously named products are. They don't need accounts. They just type a message and decide to p…

Watched Tim Cook and MKBHD interview and Tim did say something along the same lines: the average smartphone user doesn't care about the technology branding but what can it do and that's what Apple aims for.

And I agree with their goal here:

Dall-e how much now? it can do what? text to image? can it do emojis? vs Genmoji: oh .. it can do emojis. nice!

same with "Rewrite" and so on.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by bredren »

jjfoooo4 wrote: post #991
bredren wrote: post #706

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got a fairly sophisticated and detailed story world I've been building up with my kid, it always starts the same way and there are known characters. We've been building this up for some time, this tiny universe is the most common thing for me to respond to "will you tell me a story?" (something that is requested sometimes several times a day) since it is so deeply ingrained in both our heads. Yesterday, while dr…

Do you think as much creativity and effort would have gone into the story if you had access to AI from the start?

Given current interfaces, yes. AR via smartphone or otherwise remain invasive to interpersonal communication in 2024.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kolinko »

gambiting wrote: post #685
kolinko wrote: post #657

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As for government - depends on a country. In Poland we have an mCitizen (mObywatel) mobile app that allows to handle more things tear by year, and we have internet sites with unified citizen login for most of the other government interactions. The last time our IRS wanted sth from me, they just e-mailed me, I replied and the issue was solved in 5 minutes. Oh, and you don’t need any paper ids within the country - driv…

You don't have to walk to the local government office to get car registration plates anymore? That was always annoying as hell.

That’s one of the remaining bastions, sadly. The pickup I can understand, but the need for signup is weird.

On the upside, they are removing the requirements to change plates when you buy a used car, so there’s that.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by kolinko »

nox101 wrote: post #693
kolinko wrote: post #657

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As for government - depends on a country. In Poland we have an mCitizen (mObywatel) mobile app that allows to handle more things tear by year, and we have internet sites with unified citizen login for most of the other government interactions. The last time our IRS wanted sth from me, they just e-mailed me, I replied and the issue was solved in 5 minutes. Oh, and you don’t need any paper ids within the country - driv…

> The last time our IRS wanted sth from me, they just e-mailed me, I replied and the issue was solved in 5 minutes. Lol, that will never happen in the USA. We have companies like Intuit actively lobbying against making things easy because their entire business is claiming to deal with the complexity for you.

Yeah. Another cool thing is that we have government tax forms that are web/mobile, and it takes like 2 min and 8 clicks to fill them - including login. (for private people)
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