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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by anticensor »

unclejack wrote: post #632

These are still going to be used in laptops with soldered flash chips for the SSD. Apple's laptops aren't meant to be used by people who expect to repair their laptop when the storage fails. Many people don't have access to replacement chips and services to have the flash chips found on the board replaced. It's as if their hardware is meant to be e-waste. The RAM is still not ECC. They focus so much on the shallow ma…

Average error rate in non-ECC consumer DRAM is in the order of one in 100 million, which is not insignificant.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Grimburger »

justinclift wrote: post #436
Grimburger wrote: post #345

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> it's battery has been shot for a long time but it still works quite good when plugged in and I'm too much of a miser to have it replaced Consider a battery pack? I have a Bluetti K2 and get far more hours running heavy workloads than people report on M1. It's never bothered me carrying it around, though some might care I guess. My only regret is that it's slightly over the amount that is legal on planes in most jur…

Guessing using two smaller capacity battery packs instead isn't workable?

The KWh limit on planes is a total amount, not individual device, I guess you can split it up amongst people if you want to.

Gotten so much mileage out of this laptop battery, especially on long distance trains, but it's a no go on planes by being so slightly over the limit.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ffgjgf1 »

hospitalJail wrote: post #987
ffgjgf1 wrote: post #979

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Considering that Apple has been significantly more innovative (tech wise) than pretty all of their competitors I’m not quite sure what this tells about them.

marketing

Not really . Or rather not only. The only two things I hate about Apple’s hardware is the lack of repairability and the price gouging for memory/storage upgrades. Otherwise they are objectively miles ahead of their competition

Of course I have no idea why am I taking the effort to respond to an edgy single word comment…

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ranguna »

jayd16 wrote: post #320
miohtama wrote: post #126

> With the M3 family of chips, hardware-accelerated ray tracing comes to the Mac for the first time. Ray tracing models the properties of light as it interacts with a scene, allowing apps to create extremely realistic and physically accurate images. This, along with the new graphics architecture, allows pro apps to deliver up to 2.5x the speed of the M1 family of chips. Does this mean we can finally play Cyberpunk 20…

Do you mean at max raytracing settings? Alienware laptops should run Cyberpunk at 60, just not maxed out.

Interesting how the ps5 can run much more intensive graphic applications than the mac

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ranguna »

etchalon wrote: post #899
ranguna wrote: post #621

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I'd be impressed if it was as powerful as a ps5.

The PS5 gets around 10.28 teraflops, while the M1 Max, from two years ago, was getting about 10.4.

Interesting how the ps5 can run much more intensive graphic applications than the mac

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ranguna »

ranguna wrote: post #994
jayd16 wrote: post #320

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Do you mean at max raytracing settings? Alienware laptops should run Cyberpunk at 60, just not maxed out.

Interesting how the ps5 can run much more intensive graphic applications than the mac

Replied on the wrong thread, sorry.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by PennRobotics »

Saris wrote: post #952
whatever1 wrote: post #541

I think the M series laptops were the first full manifestation of the laptop idea. Instant sleep/resume, great input devices and monitor, cpu power at will without overheating or loud fan, super fast shock resistant storage, 20+ hours of battery life, no battery drain when off. It took us 30 years but we finally have it. Now let’s hope WIntel can also catch up soon.

It's kind of surprising that Intel (or I guess x86 in general) still has basic issues with sleep, laptops waking up in your bag and that kind of thing. The forced modern standby thing they're doing has only made it worse.

My Intel NUC was unresponsive and overheating when I came home from work today. It's the second one I have. The first was exchanged because it would overheat and become unresponsive. It doesn't have anything running while asleep except background services and Firefox.

There are several support notes about sleep problems and overheating, so I know I'm not alone.

No combination of BIOS or OS settings should make it possible to overheat while asleep---especially not the defaults! (Notably, overheating occurs equally in Windows or any of the 5 Linux distros I've installed in the past two years.) It's particularly disappointing when the computer is made by the processor company. There's no excuse---no missing documentation or inability to test side effects. Expecting peerless hardware support was THE reason I went with Intel instead of any other small-form-factor PC.

Honestly, at this point, if I want Windows, I'll probably run Parallels on a Mac. I hate Mac. That's where I stand with Intel and Microsoft.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by Saris »

PennRobotics wrote: post #997
Saris wrote: post #952

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It's kind of surprising that Intel (or I guess x86 in general) still has basic issues with sleep, laptops waking up in your bag and that kind of thing. The forced modern standby thing they're doing has only made it worse.

My Intel NUC was unresponsive and overheating when I came home from work today. It's the second one I have. The first was exchanged because it would overheat and become unresponsive. It doesn't have anything running while asleep except background services and Firefox. There are several support notes about sleep problems and overheating, so I know I'm not alone. No combination of BIOS or OS settings should make it pos…

Yeah overheating ever is just poor hardware design, not enough cooling.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by daft_pink »

Twisell wrote: post #941
daft_pink wrote: post #882

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sorry, it's a typo and it won't let me edit it now. I meant that they only desktop they upgrade to m3 is the iMac and all the other desktops are thousands of dollars with the old processor... so like Mac Studio for $2,000 that I need to buy to power all my monitors now is using an old outdated processor.

You either have a very specific workload that justify replacing $2000+ devices each year with zero waiting margin... ...or you are vastly exaggerating by stating that a 8 month old device is an old outdated processor and that you can't wait 4 more months for the update.

Can I wait? Sure. But this is the whole problem with single source computing that suddenly we have to wait for the processor to be delivered in the form factor we would like until a single manufacturer chooses to give it to us and they could choose not to as the intel mac mini was not regularly updated or choose to spend thousands of dollars to purchase something that might be outdated in a four months.

Plus the entire reason why I have to spend so much money is because they didn't bother to put a few dollars in i/o parts to allow it to support more video outputs that their low end devices could easily drive, and they don't support third party drivers well enough that we can use displaylink.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by daft_pink »

tim-hilt wrote: post #969
lynguist wrote: post #928

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The single external display driver can drive more than one display at resolutions at 4k or lower. You can daisychain two 4k monitors on a Mac that has only one external display driver when you use the Displaylink adapter (it’s a driver). It somehow internally reuses the same display output for both displays. The USB-C can power one 6k or 2 4k monitors. The HDMI port on M2 Pro and newer can power one 8k.

any experience with the displaylink driver? i always read that its a performance hog and comes with all kinds of issues. I'm running an m1 air and having daisychaining work properly would safe me from switching to an m1 pro + thunderbolt dock. I don't want to give up my single usb-c cable solution.

Displaylink really doesn't work well on a mac. Even with intel there was a time period where it flat out stopped working and currently when you connect it, it enables screen recording which doesn't allow you to use certain hdcp functions.

It's like Apple re-enabled displaylink, but only begrudingly after they didn't allow it for a few generations of the OS.

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