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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by rbanffy »

runeks wrote: post #978
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64 GB is a lot. I wouldn't buy a machine with less than that (Macs tend to last a long time), but, still, wanting to max it out just in case and actually needing it is rare. What are you doing with your computer?

> What are you doing with your computer? I’m writing Haskell. * Transpiling Haskell into JavaScript using GHCJS 8.10.7 requires more than 32GB RAM * haskell-language-server uses about 40% (~26 GB) of my total memory after running for a day or so. Add a couple of REPL sessions and I’m over 32 GB.

Ouch!

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by dimmke »

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My dad bought an 11" MacBook Air in 2011 - I think it was the cheapest possible Mac you could get at the time (maybe $900-$1000?) But I really wanted him to be on MacOS. He basically never used it as a laptop, and it's been plugged in to an external monitor and keyboard for many years. He used to stack paper on top of it until I told him to stop it so it could vent better. I would update the software, but I think it'…

> Anyways, I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro and it's hard to see myself buying a new Macbook Pro in the next 5 years minimum. How much memory do you have? Seemed like my biggest concern when it came to this generation of MacBooks and longevity.

16GB. I really don't see it being a problem.

This isn't to defend Apple's stingy memory and storage specs, I just don't end up needing more than that really for the kind of work I do.

The base SSD was 500GB too. Which I'm using like... half of? It's the same thing with iPhones. The base storage amount for Pro models is 128GB and I never run up against that limit. Maybe if I took way more pictures and videos.

I store all my important data in different versions of the cloud (code I write in remote Github repos, files in Google Drive) so on device stuff is more ephemeral.

If I was a professional photographer or video editor, I'd care a lot more. Again, I think they should offer more a base but I don't ever run into actually needing it so it's not a pain point for me.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by evandale »

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My anecdote is the complete opposite experience. I bought a new 2012 MBA in June and the hard drive started failing on me in August of 2013. It was just out of the warranty so Apple did me a "favour" and let me buy a 3-year Apple care so the repair would be free. They made the Apple care start on the day I bought the MBA back in June, which was something that I got screwed on later on. Then they recalled the 2012 MBA…

So, as a negative example, you provide ... a laptop you paid $1500 + $200 + $250 for, and got 7+ years of use?

Yeah, but only because I built a desktop in 2010, spent $1100 and didn't have to put a penny more into it until last year. And that was because I wanted to upgrade, not because I had to. I had a Dell laptop survive 8 years without paying for anything.

It really annoys me that the laptop died for no reason overnight after an OS upgrade and Apple couldn't even come up with an explanation or attempt to fix it. I've done some Googling recently because this was in my mind again and apparently Catalina bricked a lot of laptops but I can't seem to find any acknowledgment from Apple on that.

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Post by acchow »

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You are buying into a distorted image of the typical US population experience. Access to healthcare is pretty much instant and high quality for all but the very bottom of the society. 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two and if it’s urgent can access numerous urgent care clinics with almost no wait. Best I can tell for many European countries the situation is significantly worse in terms…

> 85%+ of the population can get an appointment within a day or two I'd love to see where you got that statistic. IME, I have to wait months for any kind of specialist. And when I finally get to see one, my insurance underpays and then I spend endless hours fighting with both the provider and the insurer. This crap happens every single time I need to see a doctor. I can't wait to retire and move to a second world cou…

I think this may be an issue with certain provider networks (have heard horror stories about Kaiser and such).

I'm with Anthem and I've gone directly to various specialties with appointments within 1-5 days.

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Post by Tagbert »

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That’s not bad. My 2014 15” MBP with 16/1T was $2800 and that was 9 years ago.

I think back in 2014 this machine is probably one of the best Macbook pros? Did we have 32GB back then?

No, 16GB was the max.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by sliken »

hinkley wrote: post #563
shantara wrote: post #10

No surprises here. The new Mac release cycle is not transparent to the consumers, and the differences between M1 and M2 are marginal for most use cases.

Apple had bigger plans for the M2 chip but they had power dissipation problems. That sort of a miss is going to affect sales.

I've not see any evidence of power issues. Saw a minor miss that they had some ray tracing functionality in the GPU, but ended up being more power hungry than planned, so they disabled it. But the chip with the same cores is doing fine in apple phones, ipads, and their thin/light mba, mbp 14", and mbp16" with no power/battery life/heat issues that I've heard of.

Sadly they didn't bring out a Mac Studio M2 max, but clearly if they can fit that in 14" laptop they could fit the same in the studio.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by quitit »

There's plenty of reasons why Apple would halt M2 (beyond the fact that M3 production should be ramping now).

There are clear market reasons at play: for example Samsung Electronics have estimated a 96% drop in profit for the quarter and have subsequently reduced production of memory chips.

Demand for new hardware is expected to be softer:

- WFH brought forward a lot of purchases

- Inflation/cost of living pressures will slow upgrade cycles

- Consumers are forced to redirect funds to mortgages due to higher interest rates

- The global economy is slowing, with large corporations already laying off significant numbers of staff

However it's also worth noting that this is a small serving of data with a big serving of conjecture: Whenever Apple decreases production it's always toted in the media as some kind of fuck up or failure, only for the quarterly results to convincingly disprove that theory.

The HN talk about the strong dollar isn't entirely relevant, the USA alone is a massive buyer of apple hardware, and a strong dollar is common.

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Post by megous »

kjs3 wrote: post #722
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Thinkpad T440 - 7 years of daily use (could probably use some cleaning inside). I expect it to last quite a bit longer, still. It did cost $500 + some upgrades. Windows 10 is still supported. :) 17 or so year old IBM T41 stopped working about 2 years ago.

Yeah, give laptops a good cleanout every couple of years even if you're a non-smoking obsessive clean freak. My T42 started acting weird a while back and opened it up...numerous odd places clogged with lint, dust and what I assume is cat hair. Worked fine after degunking.

So I checked the T41, and it was just a dead power adapter. After making a new one from a spare DC-DC converter, the laptop itself still seems to work. Cleaning it up might be a next step. :)

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Post by megous »

game_the0ry wrote: post #429
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Thinkpad T440 - 7 years of daily use (could probably use some cleaning inside). I expect it to last quite a bit longer, still. It did cost $500 + some upgrades. Windows 10 is still supported. :) 17 or so year old IBM T41 stopped working about 2 years ago.

My friend, I am not shitting on other products, just pointing out that macs are up there with the best of them, including lenovo :)

I was just saying this is not unique to Apple.

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Post by jwandborg »

sleepybrett wrote: post #930
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> Apple has great support. Apple does not have support good enough for professionals, my colleagues are suffering with defective MacBooks until they can justify a full replacement, because Apple repairs cost a lot of time, while Lenovo sends a repairperson with tools and replacement parts to my office.

I had a keyboard swap done (topcase) in 2 hours in the store. When I've had repairs go to the depot i've had it back in two days.

I've had motherboard, screen, keyboard, 4G modern swaps, all at my office.
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