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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by ihatepython »

m463 wrote: post #308
ezekg wrote: post #205

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You use it consistently during the workday and it's still not worth $20/mo?

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

Also that $20 should be tax deductable

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by kolinko »

jmnicolas wrote: post #891
luckylion wrote: post #868

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But for anyone in IT or related fields? $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West. It's like paying for Jetbrains IDEs. I'm a bumbling idiot writing Symfony and Wordpress code and PHPStorm is 150 Euros a year. It probably increases my productivity by that much per day . If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day, or makes you work more comfortable, it's easily worth $20.

> $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West. I earn 2000€ per month as a C# dev in France, (assuming $1 == 1€) I just need a hundred subscriptions like that to have no money left at the end of the month. While I'll admit a 100 subs is a bit much, it's very easy to have 10 or 15. > If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day Even if it saved me 4 hours a day I wouldn't be paid more.

2000€ per month? In France? That's slightly less than software devs earn in Poland, with way lower living costs!

Is this a norm in your country? Which part of France do you live in, if you don't mind me asking?

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by kolinko »

albert180 wrote: post #646
danuker wrote: post #598

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Indeed. People in developing countries might learn what the public school system should have taught them, with a free private tutor that is ChatGPT or similar.

ChatGPT can't even reliably tell how many times a letter is in a word. I doubt it will be a reliable tutor

When I tested it on subjects I knew, it gave better answers than teachers in my high school (Poland, but I guess it might be similar elsewhere in the West)

Also, a friend physicist tested ChatGPT on the basics of quantum physics and he was surprised at how much it knew.

IMHO the chat is at a level of 1st year university student - of any subject available. The only issue being that it always sounds super confident, even if it's wrong.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by hollerith »

alfor wrote: post #700
kokanee wrote: post #149

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$20 is the very first price tier introduced at the very outset of what could be one of the most powerful companies of our generation. Google.com adding a single yellow box with an advertisement seemed reasonable, too. Anyone else having serious concerns about the direction this is going? At my wife's company they have already largely replaced an hourly data classification job with ChatGPT. This announcement is the fi…

I agree with you. It’s going to get wild. It will improve very rapidly, from openAI and other. The competition will be incredible this year. I think we are headed for a complete replacement of human work very soon. Those who can use AI will become manager of an army of programers, writers, etc. We will be able to do much more, quicker too. Then we will have more robots to do physical things: self-driving, farming, co…

I worry that the eventual result of AI research will be human extinction intentionally caused by an AI.

The human creators of the AI will probably not have intended to extinct the humans: they will probably only have been overconfident in their ability to prevent it from doing undesirable things.

The AI's motive for killing the humans will probably be its perceiving (correctly) that the humans are a "danger" to the successful completion of whatever task the AI has been set to perform. In other words, the AI will perceive (correctly) that it can achieve a higher task score if the humans were out of the way.

My conclusion from my reading the literature on how to control an AI once it becomes very smart is that the science of how to exert this control is in its infancy and won't be ready for decades, but of course unless AI research is paused worldwide for a few decades, the human race doesn't have decades.

By "exert control" I basically mean designing the AI so that it cares about what happens to the humans or about what the humans might want or prefer.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by a5withtrrs »

p-e-w wrote: post #731
a5withtrrs wrote: post #719

Not being able to do simple math is a surprisingly huge bug IMO Me: 5000 * 5000 * 5000 ChatGPT: The result of 5000 x 5000 x 5000 is 125,000,000,000,000. Me: 5000 * 5000 ChatGPT: The result of 5000 x 5000 is 25,000,000. Me: 5000 * 25000000 ChatGPT: The result of 25,000,000 x 5000 is 125,000,000,000. Integrations with services like wolfram alpha would be nice as well (although shouldn't be necessary to solve basic mult…

It's not a "bug" in the traditional sense, but a consequence of how language models work. Probability distributions over token chains are very powerful tools for generating human-like written text, but they perform poorly at symbolic inference. Humans have the same limitations, which is why math is a separate topic taught in schools that focuses not on knowledge but on algorithms. Understanding natural language synta…

Perhaps I should have added how I noticed in the first place. I gave it a block of code with a few nested loops and asked it how many times would it run. For a small number 5 x 5 x 5, it calculated correctly. But for 5000 x 5000 x 5000 it gave the wrong answer.

I'd like to see an integration into wolfram alpha or something. That would be amazing.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by garbanzoPDX »

charlie0 wrote: post #938
m463 wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of those puzzling things to me. You own your life - why not spend your own money for the things that make you and your life better? Who cares? I worked at a job where I had a small, crappy monitor. I made decent cash. I just bought a large decent monitor and brought it into work. I ended up using it for many years. My life was significantly better. I've done that at several jobs since then, and NEVER regr…

I've been lucky to be working remotely, but if I ever go back into the office, I'll be bringing my own gear just like you. Recently, I've been gasp paying for software. Open source and free tools have come a very long way, but paid tools can be better. Especially when those tools are used daily as part of the job. The paid tools often have free usage, albeit with some limits, so they are still useful to the defaults.…

I'm a TablePlus fan as well, it's soooo good.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by jmnicolas »

gardenhedge wrote: post #965
jmnicolas wrote: post #891

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> $20/month feels like a nobrainer if you're in the West. I earn 2000€ per month as a C# dev in France, (assuming $1 == 1€) I just need a hundred subscriptions like that to have no money left at the end of the month. While I'll admit a 100 subs is a bit much, it's very easy to have 10 or 15. > If ChatGPT saves you more than 60 seconds a day Even if it saved me 4 hours a day I wouldn't be paid more.

If ChatGPT saved you 4 hours a day, you could be less stressed and have more time to do other stuff like exercise

No I would still have to sit at work waiting for the clock to be at the right time to be allowed to leave.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by alfor »

hollerith wrote: post #994
alfor wrote: post #700

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I agree with you. It’s going to get wild. It will improve very rapidly, from openAI and other. The competition will be incredible this year. I think we are headed for a complete replacement of human work very soon. Those who can use AI will become manager of an army of programers, writers, etc. We will be able to do much more, quicker too. Then we will have more robots to do physical things: self-driving, farming, co…

I worry that the eventual result of AI research will be human extinction intentionally caused by an AI. The human creators of the AI will probably not have intended to extinct the humans: they will probably only have been overconfident in their ability to prevent it from doing undesirable things. The AI's motive for killing the humans will probably be its perceiving (correctly) that the humans are a "danger" to the s…

I try to be hopeful about it, but I agree that we don’t know what we are doing and AI will rapidly be way smarter/faster than us.

It’s already used to win the war against Russia: Palantir AI spot targets from satellite image for artillerie, they get way better hit ration.

AI is already enslaving the whole population to Youtube/Tictok/fb/etc.

Hopefully we get better use of it (Copilot is very good, ChatGPT too)

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by webmaven »

erulabs wrote: post #685
dpistole wrote: post #662

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I think your interpretation of "free as in beer" is the opposite of the mainstream (where my understanding is it means "free of charge")

It is - but the mainstream “free as in beer” makes no sense. Who gives away free beer? Beer is free as in libre, not free as in gratis! But you’re correct - the mainstream meaning of that term is the opposite - which I find bizarre.

Try this on for size: "open as in bar".
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