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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by alldayeveryday »

asveikau wrote: post #743
rootusrootus wrote: post #470

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> you're angry about it Why is it okay for one side to be angry, but not the other? This is such a commonly used accusation to deflate someone else's point. Making them seem emotional, and therefore illogical. FWIW, I don't think the person you're replying to looks even a little bit angry in that post. The point of view seems well considered.

I think the anger is coming out in over the top descriptions of white males as targets of some kind of cultural conspiracy, or talking about laughing at queer folk because they're not persecuted like unapologetic straight white men ... Those are some pretty odd conclusions that he seems to have wandered into emotionally, and it's hard to think there isn't some hostility there, otherwise why bother saying all this? If…

Your whole argument is based on the premise that statements made in anger cannot be true. And the focus on emotional state is typical ad hominem attack. You did not refute the content in any way.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by asveikau »

alldayeveryday wrote: post #991
asveikau wrote: post #743

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I think the anger is coming out in over the top descriptions of white males as targets of some kind of cultural conspiracy, or talking about laughing at queer folk because they're not persecuted like unapologetic straight white men ... Those are some pretty odd conclusions that he seems to have wandered into emotionally, and it's hard to think there isn't some hostility there, otherwise why bother saying all this? If…

Your whole argument is based on the premise that statements made in anger cannot be true. And the focus on emotional state is typical ad hominem attack. You did not refute the content in any way.

No sir, I did not say that. I conjectured that this is why someone might downvote. Because they sense the emotional component.

It's also pretty absurd on its face to believe the straight white male is persecuted. I don't believe you need me to refute it.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by blackflame7000 »

zassy wrote: post #882
bawolff wrote: post #875

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> being irrationally angry, stunted in various ways, and generally destructive I don't like 4-chan but isn't that what they said about hippies? That they are stunted (e.g. they spend all their time smoking pot instead of cutting their hair, getting a job and being productive members of society. They are irrationally angry at society and refuse to recognize the grim realities of the real world. They are destructively…

You don’t get it man. The counter culture is cool, hip and trendy and I’m a cool, hip and trendy kind of guy. I’m part of the counterculture, and I’m not part of 4chan, so obviously they’re not counterculture. The fact that my views align much closer than theirs with many mainstream political parties, almost all of academia, most major media outlets and most major corporation’s stated values is because they all are a…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by throwawayacc6 »

lezojeda wrote: post #300
zmgsabst wrote: post #276

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>There’s routine cases of institutional actors like teachers and their unions trying to groom kids into being “trans”, without talking to the parents. Can you cite more than one example when and where this has happened?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by nebula8804 »

linksnapzz wrote: post #963
nebula8804 wrote: post #856

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But that makes no sense. Didn't Reagan win due to an outpouring of support from the Boomers who at the time were those young people?

Hahahahah. No. He won b/c he annoyed those people, to the delight of their parents.

Looking at the demographic breakdown it certainly seems like he got most of the boomers(and their parents). The boomers were in their 20-30s at the time.

[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_coalition

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by dang »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #993
zassy wrote: post #882

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You don’t get it man. The counter culture is cool, hip and trendy and I’m a cool, hip and trendy kind of guy. I’m part of the counterculture, and I’m not part of 4chan, so obviously they’re not counterculture. The fact that my views align much closer than theirs with many mainstream political parties, almost all of academia, most major media outlets and most major corporation’s stated values is because they all are a…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by blackflame7000 »

dang wrote: post #996
blackflame7000 wrote: post #993

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by blackflame7000 »

dang wrote: post #996
blackflame7000 wrote: post #993

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by linksnapzz »

nebula8804 wrote: post #995
linksnapzz wrote: post #963

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Hahahahah. No. He won b/c he annoyed those people, to the delight of their parents.

Looking at the demographic breakdown it certainly seems like he got most of the boomers(and their parents). The boomers were in their 20-30s at the time. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_coalition

He was governor of California at the time; twelve odd years later I suppose many of his critics had grown up…

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by banannaise »

alldayeveryday wrote: post #982
banannaise wrote: post #749

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It's worth remembering that the hippies and related counterculture(s) became a threat to the status quo (most notably through their opposition to the Vietnam War), and that the War on Drugs was in part a way to criminalize that movement to limit its influence. The playbook of "criminalize any counterculture that threatens the status quo" is arguably in continuous use now, preventing any countercultural movement from…

I see it differently. i think the playbook is that the system generates a counterculture to control the opposition narrative. The systems greatest trick as Ted K put it. Sure, the hippie movement was branded countercultural. But to what purpose? Note that during the period, the US government was engaged in a large scale remaking of America both domestically and internationally. Domestically, we saw the remaking of im…

This gets racist and/or homophobic enough at the end to be almost flag-worthy, but I'm going to respond to part of it.

I don't know where you get the idea of "increased individualism" from "woke culture". Racial justice advocates and queer leaders often talk about community and the importance of banding together - so much so that opponents have taken to branding that as things like "communism" or "black supremacy".

As for "dissolution of family", that's an anti-queer talking point; the nuclear family is not the only form of family. "Rampant degeneracy" is just a values disagreement but framed in terms of good and evil.

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