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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by killyourcar »

afiori wrote: post #980
killyourcar wrote: post #855

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I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political? I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political? Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I don't think it is, it's just... Who I am. People who say no politics at work generally have never had to think about how some identities are perceived as innately political.

I don't recommend doing this; it would likely result in an hellscape of a thought bubble. It was in a way to show that banning politics at work could produce paradoxical results. I personally see only 4 answers: - nothing is political - everything is political - it is political if I say that it is political - we submit to someone else opinion to answer this question And you might notice that answer 4 is just 3 in dis…

Yeah, I tend to agree, though I come down on "everything is political; but not everything needs to be strife".

Like, sports, long considered the go to water cooler talk, have LOADS of politics. From how the players are treated, to who can afford to see a game, to how we treat uninterested or rival fans.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by msla »

freeone3000 wrote: post #815
endtime wrote: post #789

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Rule of law and due process are the best way of doing things, and are not exclusively American concepts.

Absolutely, but, Canadian law would absolutely allow illegally-collected evidence. The trial against the officer invading the defendant's privacy is a separate matter; the goal of a trial is to determine the truth of matters, after all, and if the defendant did kill someone, all evidence to support (or refute) that is generally admissible.

So what makes the state follow the rules of evidence? Anything?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by TechBro8615 »

afiori wrote: post #979
TechBro8615 wrote: post #498

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If they allowlist Cloudflare IP addresses, they should be careful that list only includes the IPs of the caching servers, and not of the exit nodes for the free WARP VPN service. These both share the same AS number, I think. I’m not sure if Cloudflare segregates WARP traffic or publishes a list of WARP exit IP addresses. Aside: It’s not that simple of a problem, is it? Because there’s also CF workers, which execute o…

Yes, my comment was oversimplified, it would be a bad idea not to coordinate with CF on a measure like this.

Yeah, mostly your comment just got me curious about the details.

It’s interesting how it’s basically the same problem as securing an onion service (how to ensure no route to the machine on the clearnet).

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by _-david-_ »

DanBC wrote: post #912
_-david-_ wrote: post #675

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Kiwifarms has a policy against illegal behavior (which would include some harassment and swatting). I am not sure if doxing is illegal? Policies don't mean anything when a huge amount of it stays up and the platform does nothing about it. There are posts literally and explicitly calling for people to murder others on Twitter. The posts have been there for multiple years (at least the last time I checked). Twitter and…

> Kiwifarms has a policy against illegal behavior wink wink

Is that supposed to be Twitter winking at Kiwifarms because they do the same thing?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by miragecraft »

If you’re the digital equivalent of the Fire Department and shouldn’t refuse service, why are you treating hosting differently?

Is it because they can get hosting elsewhere? Well they can get web security elsewhere too, what’s the difference?

By the way comparing Cloudflare with the Fire Department is silly, as neither is Cloudflare the only game in town, nor is not having a website life threatening.

And if Cloudflare is the last line of defense for free speech, why do they refuse to host the same site?

It leaves a bad taste in my mouth for Cloudflare to somehow paint themselves as the good guys in this scenario, at most they’re the Swiss Bank, willing to do business with the despicables.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by miragecraft »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #475
Borgz wrote: post #62

I don't understand why Cloudflare believes it is their responsibility to protect content that they admit to finding morally reprehensible when they are under no moral or legal obligation to do so. It seems that Cloudflare believes that they are the only ones who can protect the websites hosting this content from being DDoS'd out of existence, and thus they are protecting their right to freedom of speech. But the owne…

I feel like you missed the core points of this post. - Precedent from decisions on The Daily Stormer and 8chan was used to pressure Cloudflare to deplatform human rights organizations by authoritarian governments. Refusing to deplatform isn't about protecting Kiwifarms, but protecting other groups in a global environment where they face legal and social pressure on differing and conflicting views. A hands-off policy…

Precedent from decisions on The Daily Stormer and 8chan was used to pressure Cloudflare to deplatform human rights organizations by authoritarian governments.

Cloudflare isn’t a court, its decisions are not legal precedents, it can decide on a case by case basis who it wants to do business with.

If authoritarian government comes knocking, just say no. What are they gonna do?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by worldofmatthew »

ranger_danger wrote: post #923
worldofmatthew wrote: post #209

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So sick of this argument. They clearly just stated that they believe everyone should have access to protection. This is like saying "walmart, known for supplying mass murderers with guns!"

Your comment has aged badly.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by wussboy »

HereIGoAgain wrote: post #849
wussboy wrote: post #192

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Free speech is a good, but it is not the highest good. We do not need to throw civil society away because it might infringe on free speech.

Civil society is a good, but it is not the highest good. We do not need to throw free speech away because it might infringe on civility. Especially when it's out and away from public and attention minding it's own business.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you saying that, if we could choose, we should choose free speech over civil society?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by _-david-_ »

throw149102 wrote: post #753
_-david-_ wrote: post #315

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Finding KiwiFarms posts that currently dox a user are going to be hard, because now that the site is under increased scrutiny from the public there is likely to be an attempt from moderators to remove posts. We can clearly find posts however that doxxing has been part of the sites history for years. For example, this post contains an address: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/onision-james-gregory-jackson-... Here is a p…

I don't know that IP addresses are doxing. Maybe, but doesn't seem like much for that.

Past addresses isn't doxing.

You have one example. I do appreciate the example. I don't really think 1 post is really systematic though. You could easily find an address on any of the big players. They appear to remove posts that get reported so it is possible this one wasn't reported.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by sealeck »

fjordelectro wrote: post #254
sealeck wrote: post #205

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> Instead of just existing as a small number of weirdos on mainstream platforms with millions of users, they are now building their own silos. This is _not_ about that - these people are building their own siloes; Cloudflare are hosting them. If Cloudflare stop providing services to them it will reduce their ability to host their own siloes.

> If Cloudflare stop providing services to them it will reduce their ability to host their own siloes. Yeah no it won't, well at least not in the long run. If anything good comes from all of this, it is that the internet by necessity will become more resilient. Unfortunately, enhanced resiliency will come at the cost of bifurcation. We told the exiled to just 'build your own platform' and 'build your own bank' but we…

Well they seem to be offline now, so I think it worked.
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