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The problem is these people think they have a right to work at a company.
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SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
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#992In my younger and stupider days, I made some ill considered criticisms of my boss. I was lucky I wasn't fired on the spot.
No one is above reproach.
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#993Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…
He has Asperger’s and has talked openly about his difficulty understanding social cues. https://www.axios.com/2022/04/15/elon-musk-aspergers-syndrom... I don’t think that fully excuses or justified everything he does, but it has some explanatory power. It’s obvious by his work output that he is not a very typical person, and it seems like society as a whole is gaining tremendous benefit from his eccentricity. I don’t…
That is an excuse. Musk should see jail time.
Re: SpaceX said to fire employees involved in letter rebuking Elon Musk
#994Does Elon Musk always ask himself “ok what’s the most petty/childish/immature response I can produce for this situation?” I’m not sure what’s actually wrong with him or if it’s at all clinical or just the billionaire disease of being surrounded by people who agree with you for too long. But I get a feeling there is something a bit off with his behavior and/or mental health, and that it’s been getting worse lately. I…
I'm totally ok with that if that "petty/childish/immature" person lands rockets on barges and revolutionizes space travel.
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It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.
People keep misconstruing his opinion on free speech. His opinion on free speech isn't "freedom to say anything anywhere to anyone and have no repercussions". He specifically believes Twitter should be treated as a virtual town square, i.e. you can say what you like without fear from being removed from the town square, but it has zero bearing on what people say about you on that town square. SpaceX is not a town squa…
This was beautifully articulated and I'll be using it in the future. Thank you!
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#996Earlier quoted context omitted.
Activist employees are toxic to company culture. We created a rule that politics and religion were not appropriate topics at work. A couple of people quit in response, and morale improved dramatically.
So, firing James Damore was the correct thing to do, after all? Him and his manifesto, and his subsequent behaviour were pretty distracting, political, toxic, critical of his employer, and wasted workplace resources...
The context was different. He responded to internal politics-discussion-board, and that was leaked many months later. The email in the OP is (from what we can see) creating the discussion.
Also, in the end Damore's continued employment became political thing, so it was probably inevitable he had to go. But the form - especially the crazy doublespeak - of his firing was the problem.
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#997Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is pretty hypocritical though for Mr. Free Speech to fire people who have concerns rather than address those concerns in a civil dialogue. Musk likes to whinge about “censorship” amounting to banning a Twitter account but seems perfectly okay firing someone and removing their livelihood for speaking critically of him. Also retaliation is very much still illegal, not that it matters.
Freedom of speech does not mean being free of consequences. Much like you're free to offend, the other side is free to be offended and employment goes both ways. Firing someone because they fundamentally disagree on how the company should be run is not censorship, it's keeping only people who align with the direction you're headed.
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#998The comparison to "cancelling" is coming up a lot, but I think this is a reasonably simple way to distinguish the two:
Employment requires sustained two-way consent. An employer should not have to pay someone money only to have that person make their lives more difficult than otherwise. Just as an employee should be free to quit a company whose goals they find disagreeable.
Cancelling is when a 3rd party comes into an otherwise consensual employer-employee relationship (or publisher-author relationship, really any business relationship) and demanding that to end.
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> This seems like a funny statement to make when your CEO is literally out buying Twitter. And apparently putting 90+ hours into Elden Ring, while still insisting to be working 14-20 hour days. [0] [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1528576711209766914
"I work 120 hour work weeks" is CEO speak for "Any time spent in the penthouse I built with company money and in which I occasionally remote work but mostly do lines of cocaine off a hooker's back is work time". Musk does maybe 50 hours of work a week, it's just that it's spread out over time and not 10 hour long shifts like he forces on his employees.
How would you know?
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#1000Musk believed he needed to compel people back into the office to get what he wanted. These employees believed it was worth it to speak out. Both parties were capable of understanding the consequences of their speech. And none of those consequences were unethical or or even disproportionate to their cause. I'm not sure there's even anything to talk about here. There's no right or wrong to people's preferences for their workers' jobsite presence. And there's no right or wrong to public disagreement. In fact, this is a public market disagreement that will happen for years to come.