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Post by eloisius »

justnotworthit wrote: post #987
eloisius wrote: post #921

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Exactly what's bothering me about this. I think you should get vaccinated. I think most of these truckers probably have very stupid reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated. But how can it not scare you to see the government wield power against demonstrations like this? Next time we're protesting an oil pipeline, what's to stop them from saying that these protests jeopardize Canada's energy security; It's disrupting…

Truckers (in general, according to published data) are over 90% voluntarily vaccinated; that's more than the general population.

Not sure what your point is. At least 90% of Canadians use fossil fuels. Next time there is a protest against an oil pipeline is it okay to freeze their bank accounts?

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Post by lenkite »

Trudeau is a hypocrite of the highest order. He fully backed the Indian farm protests (which blocked roads and essential supplies), supported foreign 'donations' and criticised the Indian courts for actions against the protesters.

What is OK in India is not OK for Canada it seems.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/situation-is-concern...

Quoting Trudeau: "When a government starts trying to cancel dissent or avoid dissent is when it’s rapidly losing its moral authority to govern" https://twitter.com/justintrudeau/status/205322201187106816

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Post by no_time »

jsjsbdkj wrote: post #586
armagon wrote: post #332

> 5:05 p.m. > Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he has invoked the Emergencies Act as a “last resort” to bolster the police response to convoy demonstrators and to “bring the situation fully under control.” I really feel like there were a number of "resorts" that could've been taken before this "last" one. Engaging in dialogue with the truckers and not inflaming the situation by calling the truckers names are at the…

The Ottawa Police have refused to enforce the law for 3 weeks. They've been letting this go on unchecked. The mayor is a former Conservative MPP who is not running for re-election, so he's completely checked out. The police chief is a retired former deputy who got passed over to lead Toronto's police force and came out of retirement to try and burnish his reputation so he can get into politics. The province is govern…

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Post by raxxorrax »

jsjsbdkj wrote: post #538
daenz wrote: post #353

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>The Canadian people are overwhelmingly vaccinated and don't mind wearing masks. 90+% of truckers are fully vaccinated. Then why require the mandate? I haven't seen any answer to that question besides the implied: "because we demand full compliance."

Do you understand how public health works? The vaccine does not 100% prevent any infection, it reduces the odds and intensity. Some people cannot be vaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. You would think computer people would understand "defense in depth". Meanwhile, anti-vaccine people are single-handedly working to revive diseases that were almost eradicated: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2019/03/2…

You don't have your facts correct because the vaccine does not inhibit transmission. Some argue it reduces the risk but the data is inconclusive.

It is militancy like yours that is elevating opposition.

I am vaccinated but support anyone that stands up to a mandate, vaccination passes or emergency powers. I don't really have to justify that any further.

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Post by twblalock »

coding123 wrote: post #828
_skel wrote: post #749

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It seems like these protests ought to be solvable by the police, using normal police powers, without resorting to emergency measures or doing things like freezing accounts and suspending truckers' licenses. Why not do the obvious thing: send the police in to arrest people who won't leave. Tow their trucks. That worked at the border the other day -- why wouldn't it work in Ottawa too? It's not like the Canadian police…

At the end of the day, at some point the police are not going to do things they don't agree with.

What makes you think the Ottawa police agree with the protesters?

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Post by raxxorrax »

ckdarby wrote: post #961
canucker2016 wrote: post #934

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The Ottawa police haven't been able to get any towing companies to come in and tow away any of the heavy trucks. From the articles I've read, the trucks at the border crossing were lighter pickup trucks, which can be towed away with regular tow trucks. Some of the reasons listed as to the reluctance of towing companies to participate: - the heavy truck towing companies get much of their business from the truck indust…

In this case wouldn't it be fairly straightforward to just have the city buy a tow truck, paint without branding and have a worker of the city just tow? I mean I'd suggest having any department do this. There must be day to day things disrupted enough that someone's job has been disrupted with this all going on that can be reallocated to this.

I don't think you can tow a truck that doesn't want to be towed. You have to have a legal reason to do so as well.

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Post by fungos »

themaninthedark wrote: post #653
jdright wrote: post #478

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7wpax/freedom-convoy-givese... > the majority of donors come from the U.S. (56%) and Canada (29%)

and from the linked NYT article: >A review of the data shows that some $4.3 million came from Canada, while an additional $3.6 million originated in the United States, though the United States accounted for the most individual donations. Small donations from dozens of other countries made up a fraction of the total amount raised. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/14/world/canada/canada-truck... Phrasing it as the major…

Money doesn't vote, people vote. Democracy is about people and not amount of money. Example, because one billionaire donates $5millions and 5000 Americans put each $200. Doesn't mean that Canadians care more because $5millions is more than $1million.

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Post by pkd »

gruez wrote: post #461
pkd wrote: post #335

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You didn't actually link to an article on Angus Reid. Here's one: > As the country rolls into another week of uncertainty, nearly three-quarters of Canadians (72%) say the time has come for protesters to “go home, they have made their point.” https://angusreid.org/trudeau-convoy-trucker-protest-vaccine...

Only 22% of US voters have favorable opinion of antifa. Should accounts associated with them be frozen as well? https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/cur...

The context of my comment was the claim that there was "loss of mandate", not whether freezing bank accounts of any group is legal or advisable.

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Post by pkd »

philistine wrote: post #551
pkd wrote: post #293

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Are you friends federal government employees? If not, then the vaccination policy is enacted by the corporation they work for, not the government. I'm glad you have felt at home at the protests, I'm sure if you tried to ask critical questions about vaccine efficiency and the active participation of far right extremists like Pat King in the protests, you'd have received a much colder welcome. Thousands of people in Ot…

Don't call their attempt at a coup a junta. A junta is by definition in English a government by the Army: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_(governing_body)

Fair. That was the term that came to mind in the flow of writing the comment.

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Post by Breza »

rescripting wrote: post #827
6nf wrote: post #818

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>The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. This is not correct. The Ottawa police have repeatedly said that they're ready to arrest anyone breaking the law but currently it is not illegal to park in public roads with trucks and the truck drivers are mostly abiding by all laws. Less than half a dozen people have been arrested because there's no laws being broken. The reason they are not doing any enforcement is…

Ottawa resident here, this is so far off base I’d call it propaganda. Fireworks in the downtown core nightly. Air horns for days on end. Harassment, assaults and intimidation targeted towards minorities or those wearing a mask. Public urination, defication. Even “it’s not illegal to park on public roads” is false because they’re parked across all lanes, blocking north/south access to several blocks.

This makes more sense than GP. I can't imagine it's legal to block traffic in Canada. If a car breaks down on a Canadian highway, do the authorities throw up their hands and say "If only we could do something!" I imagine they tow the car pretty quickly.
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