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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by account42 »

jack_pp wrote: post #640
klagermkii wrote: post #581

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

Why are you against people freely negotiating deals even if those deals result in reducing availability of content? Does the govt really need to be involved in this?

The government is the only reason those people can reduce the availability of information - they are already involved.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by make3 »

nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

are you joking with your research thing, he's click bait lord, the real world requires careful rational causality extraction to understand it

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by garfieldnate »

The removal of Michael Malice episodes upsets me, as he discusses some really important issues. Still, all of the conversations listed are likely gems: comedians like Bill Burr and Tom Segura, Alex Jones in the only context where someone is constantly fact-checking him in real time, and Tim Ferris is a puzzler. I wonder if Joe has any legal recourse here, as according to him he was contractually given full power over the content of the podcast.

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Post by panarky »

julienreszka wrote: post #611

Giving in to the mob is stupid, the mob will never be satisfied

When a person takes an ostensibly principled stand to defend the right to post health lies and racist speech on a private service for profit, while remaining silent as government agents ban books and force teachers to tell lies to their students, it is becomes obvious that the principles were always bullshit.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by CivBase »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

So basically "If you are a proponent of the free market economy, you shouldn't complain about things a company does as long as they're compliant with the letter of the law."

That's an especially rich take considering the controversy is over actions a company is taking specifically to address other peoples' complaints.

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Post by parentheses »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I agree with everything you said, but I feel that you're missing the point here.

The issue is not _that_ the episodes were deleted.

The issue is that social pressure resulted in removal of information from (what is considered by most as) the "public realm". This information comes in the form of "open" (seeming) discussion with people who hold various views. This type of debate and discussion should be encouraged by our society.

This stands in stark contrast with the profit motivator that drives those who govern these "public realm"-ish services. This is not a matter of the free market being free, but more that our society is becoming greatly dependent on services that are intrinsically business driven. Those services being seen as the "open forum" that they are not needs to be fixed.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by CivBase »

adregan wrote: post #601
coldtea wrote: post #588

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> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. Perhaps they have other principles too, not just the free market as the be-all end-all. Not to mention that this isn't the free market operating freely -- it's corporations being told what to do by pressure groups (as opposed to cust…

Are you so sure it’s not due to customers voting with their wallets forcing the change? It’s easier than ever to pick up and leave a streaming service. I downloaded all my playlists from Spotify and will move to any other streaming service I want to (one which has Neil Young—whom I enjoy). Who are these “pressure groups?” Are they individual musicians and customers? When do individuals morph into these straw men?

I doubt this has anything to do with "customers voting with their wallets".

I suspect it's due to investors realizing the fragility of Spotify's business model - thanks to some (high profile? ish?) artists abandoning them at the drop of the hat - and selling their stocks, resulting in a huge drop in market value. The company has already been steadily and significantly loosing value for the last year, so it probably didn't take much to convince a lot of investors to bail.

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Post by moistrobot »

deanCommie wrote: post #978
RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #846

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I see the de-platforming and censoring of comedians specifically as being extremely concerning. Comedians in theory should not be a threat to anyone. To me this is the canary in the coalmine. What this tells me is that we as a society can't handle criticisms any longer. The comedians are extremely important to our society, because they have a way of saying things that need to be said that others are often afraid to.…

There are plenty of comedians joking around COVID, conspiracy theories, vaccines, and making people laugh. Joe Rogan as a comedian is very different than Joe Rogan as a podcaster. He tries to be a very serious podcaster, and brings in serious people to debate serious subjects. But he treats them all with the same respect and reverence. Which is a good attitude to take with people you meet 1on1, but may not be a dispa…

What misinformation has he spread?

All I see is an expert in a field, who I can't tell if they are right or not, disagreeing with other experts in the same field, who I also can't tell if they are right or not.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gunapologist99 »

jcims wrote: post #864
gunapologist99 wrote: post #504

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This comment seems grossly overgeneralized and patently offensive about a huge group of people. What does Joe Rogan have to do at all with evangelical Christians?

Very fair point, it wasn't my intent to disparage broadly. >heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew I should have made this distinction more clear. There are evangelical Christians whom I love dearly and hold in the highest regard. I don't want to call anyone a 'fake' Christian but there are definitely those that just seem to be focused purely on what others should and should not be doing. That's the kin…

Thank you for the excellent clarification!
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