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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Agree- I have been largely disappointed by USB-C. It's been okay as a smaller USB-A replacement for flash drives and mice, but in general the lesson of USB-C is: just because it fits, doesn't mean it works. My personal favorite annoyance is how chargers and cables are advertised with the wattage they support, but it's really the voltage and current that matters. If you have a device that wants 20W as 9V/2.22A , your…

When USB was first being sold it was supposed to connect everything. Monitors, modems, network cards, peripherals.

USB has been letting everyone down since 1998.

I am floored at the ports. Floored. Apple LISTENED? Like, seriously, LISTENED to its customers? I thought HDMI would never come back.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#992
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Everything they’ve said about the new MacBook Pros is extremely promising, but they had to add a notch to the screen. Just why? All for the sake of reducing the top screen border by a couple of millimeters.

If I were to hazard a guess, it's more of a brand recognition thing - now you don't even have to see the apple on the back to know someone's using a macbook.

> If I were to hazard a guess, it's more of a brand recognition thing - now you don't even have to see the apple on the back to know someone's using a macbook.

The intuition driving your hazarded "guess" is unerring.

A recent leaker called out the notch which brought renewed attention to a different leaker, ty98, who mentions notch (and other details) as early as August. [0]

Coupled with confirmation of ty98's leak that there is "No "MacBook Pro" logo on the bottom bezel", the MacBook Pro notch may very well be a branding element.

Instant visual recognition without using words. The notch is branding that transcends language.

[0] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/17/apple-notch-design-obsc...

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#993
post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

"Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015." Assuming the keyboards in these new Macbook Pro's are similar to the keyboards in the M1 MacBook Air then they will feel very similar to the 2015 keyboards. Indeed I think I found the M1 MacBook Air keyboard easier and faster to type on vs. my 2015 MacBook Air. The 2015 MBA keyboard definitely is stiffer/heavier. And the keys wobble more - maybe wobble isn't the right word but it's not as precise. Could be it's age at this point and the M1 MBA was brand new; would take more than the 2 weeks I used the M1 MBA to suss out the real differences. I returned the M1 MBA because I needed more RAM; I have a 16" M1 Max on the way. Come November 3rd I'll be able to compare them directly :)

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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the notch is a major design compromise and apple is not trying hard enough. i can not imagine paying six thousand dollars for a new laptop and literally staring into an unforced error every day. (See, Dell XPS bezel-less displays like this: https://twitter.com/SpencerDailey/status/1450170126360358914 ) I hide my menu bar for maximum space, and you can't do that here without eating into your main apps' vertical space.…

Dell XPS laptops not only pull of a bezel-less design, but also fit a webcam with infrared component for Windows Hello face unlock in there too. Apple has a notch with no Face ID.

Have either of you ever used a XPS camera? They are terrrrrible.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#996

And here I am with my Lenovo S10-3 still doing fine in 2021. My use case is if I can produce something fast with this machine then half of the battle has already been won because by default I need to optimize for the lowest possible spec of my target market. Obviously, I know this won't apply to everyone but anyway I hope this will continue for me a couple more years.

The idea pad? Is it your main computer? I have an S10-2 I bought for installing a transflective display, and I can’t imagine using it for much more than noodling around with. I just wish it was just slightly larger to accommodate a decent keyboard and a slim battery.

I have another machine for mobile app development. It's also used for consuming multimedia and gaming. The low spec machine is mostly for web development and my main Linux terminal for managing other local/remote machines.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#997
post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

> Both 14" and 16" have 254 PPI, up from ~220 Which also means they finally support more screen real estate at native 2x! Since 2016 the 13" MacBooks retained their 2560x1600 panels but shipped by default in a "looks like 1440x900" mode, which renders a 2880x1800 frame and does a non-integer scale down to the panel's native resolution, trading sharpness for extra space. I hate the slight fuzzy look so I run mine at n…

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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#998
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Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

As someone who bought a mid-2018 with the escape key on the touchbar, then watched the next model have it's own key, then watched all these ports get added back... I'm extremely frustrated to say the least. Trade in is valued at $840. If I had known either of these two updates would have gone " backwards " like this, I would have waited to purchase

Just swap CapsLock with Esc

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

#999

Pretty bummed about magsafe. No more taking one charger for 5 devices and another single purpose cable that isn't so easy to get a workable backup/replacement for.

You can still charge via thunderbolt / usb-c!! :)

Aaah that's nice. I hope they don't bundle the charger then.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

First gen of m1 mac was first Apple product that i bought. I can't say i like Apple ecosystem or macos. I am opposite of Apple fanboy. I don't like Apple and this price they made me pay another reason for it but simply anybody who want and who can afford will buy it. There aren't any alternatives.

As a review, I like this. An expanded list of likes/dislikes from a someone with universal dissatisfaction is always good to read.
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